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[A_bad_Man]

…but with blockchain.

[Alexi_Stokov]

@MrZang

If you started dumping BPC’s on the market, the more you put out there, the less they will be worth… Basic supply and demand stuff… I’m sure CCP’s bean counters are more than capable of figuring out clever ways to control inflation.

There are many looking at PLEX that would ague that no, the bean counters can’t.

[Valerie_Valate]

This is literally the worst thread I have ever read, across three iterations of eve forums.

[Deadmeat_Zukalick]

How is a EULA going to protect us from criminal charges? A EULA is just a contract. What people are talking about is actually criminal charges. There is no magic legalese that CCP could use that would grant eve player immunity from the law, at least not in any country that I am aware of.

[Baba_Ji]

MrZang Here have a cookie.

[Rin_Vocaloid2]

READY PLAYER ONE

[Gadget_Helmsdottir]

@MrZang

You simply sign a release of liability agreement before logging in, acknowledging that you are playing at your own risk… Pretty simple, and legal. Adults only of coarse, with proof of age, etc, etc… Registering your account would probably be a lengthy process.

So turn EvE into a Gambling site?
And also drop the under 21…18…12… Which country’s gambling rules do you use?

Check some EvE history, please.

–Gadget bets on NO

[Rin_Vocaloid2]

No. This is a terrible idea.

1. More and more countries in the real world are cracking down on Bitcoin and other forms of cryptocurrency (China especially) just like how they are cracking down on online gambling. CCP already banned online gambling through Eve Online because they didn’t want to deal with the legal troubles that were creeping in especially after what happened with Counter Strike: Global Offensive.

2. The United States (if they haven’t done so already) are looking into treating cryptocurrencies like BitCoin as taxable property. Imagine how much money in taxes you have to pay when you have 1 unit of this cryptocurrency in a video game especially when the market for this stuff is as volatile as the war in the south. This brings me to my next point.

3. You don’t own anything in Eve Online. Everything in Eve Online is owned by CCP. You are just paying for the service of using their game. Imagine how much money in property taxes CCP has to pay for every players who mined one of these cryptocurrencies in game for every single country that cracks down on this stuff. The legal headaches will be enough for CCP to say…

“HELL NO!”

[Rin_Vocaloid2]

If you think it’s such a good idea, then why don’t you find a company that’s willing to build a game around it? Just don’t expect CCP to accept it as part of Eve just from the legal point of view alone.

[Gadget_Helmsdottir]

Fair enough.
How’s your politics? Hopefully better than your marketing.

Online gambling in Iceland is also considered to be illegal as of January 2017, except in cases when it is administered by the University of Iceland Lottery.

Might want to practice your íslenska. You’ll need it to address the Alþingi.

–Gadget did enjoy the pun

[Teckos_Pech]

@MrZang

If you started dumping BPC’s on the market, the more you put out there, the less they will be worth… Basic supply and demand stuff… I’m sure CCP’s bean counters are more than capable of figuring out clever ways to control inflation.

Don’t you have a hidden assumption in there?

[Teckos_Pech]

@MrZang

You simply sign a release of liability agreement before logging in, acknowledging that you are playing at your own risk… Pretty simple, and legal. Adults only of coarse, with proof of age, etc, etc… Registering your account would probably be a lengthy process.

Yeah…that won’t work. Those little pieces of paper may have some (minimal) validity in court for a civil action, but criminal…nope.

@MrZang

If anyone can poke holes in this idea without being an idiot about it, I’d like to get your feed back.

I would say the possibility of criminal charges for doing things that are currently permissible in game is a pretty serious hole…you are losing atmosphere and your structural integrity is serious doubt…

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

So turn EvE into a Gambling site?

I don’t think it could be considered gambling. With gambling you are entering a game of chance and you have a choice to put your money at risk…or even how much is at risk.

A corp theft on the other hand is an entirely different matter. Getting ganked…an entirely different matter, or could very well be seen that way in a court of law…those players might be guilty of piracy on the virtual seas or some daft nonsense.

And this doesn’t get into banking regulations…and what about foreign exchange laws and regulations? If my stuff has IRL value…I should be able to cash out if I want too.

@Rin_Vocaloid2

More and more countries in the real world are cracking down on Bitcoin and other forms of cryptocurrency (China especially) just like how they are cracking down on online gambling.

I agree with much of your post, but countries that crack down on bitcoin are doing it not because it is gambling, but because it means they lose some degree of control. With rare exceptions money and the government go hand-in-hand. Governments need banks, banks need governments and as a result there is typically a…dubious relationship there. Sometimes it works out (e.g. Canada) and sometimes the government just butts out (e.g. Scotland between 1716 and 1845). But those are more the exceptions than the norms.

I have no major beef with bitcoin in general. I just think it would be a huge mistake to introduce it or blockchain into the game to give in game items RL value. Big mistake.

[Baba_Ji]

Nobody can really take you seriously. The ship you came in on didn’t even make it to the harbor. So many holes in it,it sunk before you came in sight of land. You want to blur the lines completely between an online game and real world finances.

Just for sake of the argument you have clearly failed to present,I’ll give you this boon. Say it is the new nature of gaming. You just infiltrated a well established corp and stole $100,000 in crypto. Do you expect no repercussions from the victim in your real life? What are you going to plead when you are at their mercy? C’mon guys its just a spaceship game about destroying spaceships.

Ya you haven’t thought this through have you?
What you describe is no longer a game.

Did you lose your R isk free income this past week and are trying to replace it?

[Rin_Vocaloid2]

And Eve Online will stop being the best game you ever played in your life as soon as you introduce cryptocurrency into it. Again, the legal headaches that CCP would have to put up with will completely discourage them from implementing it.

[Deadmeat_Zukalick]

But such a waiver would only protect CCP(if that, I am dubious if that would standup in court). Gadget’s original statement was that players would be unwilling to risk criminal charges over a game. You stated that the a line can be added to the EULA. I stated that they can’t protect the players. You have basically agreed with me in this post.

Congratulations you just torpedoed your own argument. Well done.

[Kaivarian_Coste]

@Teckos_Pech

Yes and when you rob a corporation and the police show up at your home…? Not my idea of a fun time.

And if it’s in the US, they will even shoot you. Real life gank.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

Counter-Strike: Real Life edition… with perma-death ultra hardcore mode enabled.

[ISD_Chanisa_Nemes]

I have cleaned up this thread. Please be respectful and post constructively

[Ebony_Texas]

you should lock this thread, of all stupid ideas ive read on this forum. this takes the cake. you’re allowing someone who is obviously addicted to this bandwagon crypto currency thing to get on here and exhibit his disorder.

just lock this stupid topic down and lets move on to something about eve and real in-game mechanics.

[Ebony_Texas]

I can force this thread to be locked… how bout that.