CCP changed the rules and now the players donāt trust them. You can mansplain it however you want, Sol, but this thread right here is proof that players donāt trust CCP.
āWill my assets be safe in an NPC station, or are you going to change the rules again?ā
When have anyones assets ever not been safe in a NPC station?
Uh . . . when were assets in citadels not protected by asset safety? Maybe I donāt understand your question.
āEverything before orgasm doesnāt ā ā ā ā ā ā ā matter, so we should just skip that entirely. Letās just masturbate and put our junk together when weāre both ready to get off. The process doesnāt matter if all processes lead to the same outcome.ā
Youāre talking nonsense.
Sorry.
Donāt move the goal posts.
Mate ā¦ thatās not moving the goal posts ā¦
ā¦ itās telling you that youāre talking nonsense.
The analogy is perfect, you just donāt seem to be able to comprehend it.
The process matters.
It always matters.
Your perspective on life is seriously flawed.
Otherwise, with your logic, everyone would just masturbate and put their junk together, because itās all about the outcome and not how you get there. Who needs foreplay, or kissing, when itās all about the outcome anyway.
Hell, why even have sex? What a waste of time. The outcome is always the same, so why not simply artificially inseminate women? The process doesnāt matter when the outcome is the same anyway!
But sure, in case you had a stroke (sure as ā ā ā ā looks like it) ā¦
ā¦ or in case youāre a virgin ā¦
ā¦ Iāll put it into a context youāll understand:
Why are there different ways of making ISK in the game? The outcome is always the same: More ISK in the wallet. As the processes arenāt important, because they all lead to the same outcome, CCP should just get rid of all the different ways of making ISK. One is sufficient.
Do I really need a million more examples of why youāre flat-out wrong?
Quoting one post while answering another? Might be time to put the bottle down.
Ah. Crap. Thanks, didnāt even notice.
Iām going to make this really simple for you, by asking you a question in the form of a logical argument:
Premise 1
CCP releases the citadel system with an asset safety mechanic
Premise 2
CCP goes on record explaining how the asset safety mechanic works in a way that leaves nothing to interpretation of sudden, major changes
Premise 3
A player goes away from the game for a period of time, leaving their assets in a citadel, acting in accordance with a proper understanding of the stated rules
Conclusion
That player should be able to come back to the game with his assets still intact in some form (either in the still-existing citadel, or in the form of asset safety containers)
True or false?
Ha, we werenāt actually talking about the same thing.
For me it was important to point out that what they did was the right decision ā¦
ā¦ and that they didnāt really have any other sane choices anyway.
Your āthey could just make them vanishā really isnāt a way to go.
True, of course.
Iāve never disputed that trust with lot of people is broken.
I simply donāt see it as an actual issue, for very good reasons.
1.) Apparently most people didnāt leave the game because of it.
2.) New players had no idea anyway.
3.) Those who never come back wonāt care.
Everything Iāve seen tells me that the negative impact was minimal ā¦
ā¦ and the amount of people who actively remember this is a minority.
In a year you might as well be the only person who remembers,
because everyone else has been replaced by some new player already.
Hell, look at Google. Theyāve abandoned tons of projects hundreds of thousands of people used and yet people still use Google products, despite them potentially being abandoned eventually.
Understand that Iām not saying youāre wrong.
Iām saying itās irrelevant.
@Xeux ā¦ Iāve just now seen the link to the thread.
Iām going to read through this. Thanks!
I didnāt say āvanish,ā I said āteleport them to the owning partyās hangar.ā
If true, and CCP did it anyway, then thereās no reason why we, as players, should trust them to not do the same thing with NPC stations, PLEX inside the PLEX vault, SP inside your characterās skill, et cetera.
Just because the impact is minimal doesnāt make it excusable.
This is an odd thing to say.
If magical asset teleportation doesnāt make you take EvE just a little less serious then something is wrong with you.
Asset safety is magical asset teleportation, and nullsec still has it.
Its funny right after we get magical asset teleportation we get this apparent glut of assets that arenāt being destroyed anymore and the whole game now has to suffer.
EvE used to try to sell itself as the Siege Perilous of space but i donāt think they know what they are anymore.
If they wanted to get rid of asset safety, they should have just gotten rid of asset safety. Their āabandoned structureā thing was very wimpy.
Iām sorry. Iāve meant āvanish from spaceā.
The thing is that you shouldnāt have trusted them from the beginning. Having faith in them is fine, trusting them is a no-go. If you find that weird, then you should read the EULA. The fact that theyāve put in there the fac that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, for no reason given, should tell you that they might eventually be doing exactly that.
Iāve not once indicated that itās excusable. Iām not trying to defend them. Iām trying to put sense into what theyāre doing. It was clearly a business decision and in the long run itās completely irrelevant.
Personally, if I had accumulated stuff over eight years (iāve read only through half of the first post in that thread, so far) and CCP just poofed it, Iād be sending in a petition. Iāve used the search function for that thread. Thereās zero āticketā to be found and all āpetitionā posts are by other people.
He either didnāt try, or didnāt mention it.
That post was from you.
The change made a lot of people happy, because they could get rewarded for reducing Citadel Spam with less time wasted. I canāt say for sure it targetted PvPers per se, but it definitely targetted groups as a whole. It made wardeccers happy. I can not say if carebears ever cared about this, or not, because I donāt know. The fact that I didnāt encounter any carebears doing it is not indicative of them not doing it.
Now, please understand that I believe my following question is actually important for this conversation:
OF COURSE THEY WERE ā ā ā ā ā ā ā AWARE OF IT!
Why the ā ā ā ā did you even need to figure this out???
Seriously!
I think they like to mix things together when they can. With these changes theyāve not just addressed Citadel spam, theyāve also addressed ātime wasted bashing structuresā. Thereās room to argue that removing Asset Safety gives incentive to people not to just literally abandon their structures, or at least to take them down when theyāre on leave.
The removal of Asset Safety in abandoned structures also was a quite necessary incentive for people to actually bash them. Citadel spam also had the effect of reducing their perceived value, because theyāre literally ā ā ā ā ā ā ā everywhere. Now, when you abandon it, you can lose your stuff. It puts emphasis on the fact that thereās value behind them, as compared to just dropping and forgetting them.
Dare I say the change boosted the perceived value of structures significantly.
Thatās my guess, at least.