2 days apart… Not daaays apart like 1-2 months.
Yes, 2 days apart. That would be “days apart”, exactly like I said. If I had meant “months apart” I would have said that. And the point stands: the kills were significantly separated in time, pretty clearly showing that the player was killed twice because they came back to the system where the attackers were operating and not because the attackers pursued that specific player across EVE to harass them.
And I notice you’ve decided not to reply to the criticism of your claims about morality. I will take this as your concession that your claim was utter nonsense.
Sorry, didn’t jump into my eyes that one. In any war-themed FPS game a medic has the ability to defend. In RL military operations the same.
You can tell me a war-themed FPS where the medic doesn’t have the ability to defend.
So would it be a war crime to shoot the medic in a FPS if the medic can only heal HP on injured players and carries no weapons? You’re nitpicking at the exact details of this hypothetical FPS and ignoring the fact that normal gameplay is not a moral issue just because the same actions in the real world would be illegal or immoral.
Going this way mining barges have drones.
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You’ve picked the medic example, I didn’t. I said it’s not moral to kill non-combatants, which don’t have the ability to defend. And I even gave you examples of the same victim, same aggressor, 2 days apart. Who is nitpicking?
Even with T2 drones you don’t have a chance, if you don’t know exactly what to do.
That guy lost also the capsule, both time, which doesn’t have drones.
Prospect (doesn’t have drones): same victim, same aggressor
Also Pod kill on that guy
Yes, and it is a very simple example: in a hypothetical FPS there is a medic class that carries no weapons, and is only able to restore lost HP to other players. In the real world this situation is clear: shooting the medic is a war crime. In the video game is it an immoral act to shoot the medic?
And I even gave you examples of the same victim, same aggressor, 2 days apart.
And? Your example is meaningless even by your own nonsensical standards. The Retriever has a drone bay and is capable of using combat drones to defend itself (and even destroy other ships), so it has nothing to do with your comments about attacking non-combatants.
(If you want a real-world example the Retriever is the equivalent to an armed merchant ship or Q ship, not a non-combatant.)
Ok… That’s why I changed with capsule and Prospect.
So you admit to moving the goalposts.
And your new example is even more absurd. The two kills happened two weeks apart. That is not in any way “ongoing harassment” that would count as griefing.
Not really. Because miners usually don’t do PvP and don’t know exactly how to react.
It’s not absurd after your medic example. The prospect doesn’t have any way of defending… As does the capsule. What are you going to protect you with? Shoot your implants?
This one is pretty shady. Chances are he was baiting or feeding, or something. Not a newb character, who lived in null. Now mines 2 jumps from Jita. And also dies to npc miner diamond response fleet.
He clearly knew what he was doing.
Quit giving arguments that force me to agree numerous times with Merin…it gives me hives.
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You openly said that you changed your example because you couldn’t defend the first one. That’s textbook moving the goalposts, and I’m sure you’ll move them again if this example doesn’t “win” for you.
And now you’re moving the goalposts yet again. First it’s “griefing” to attack a non-combatant because of the ship they’re flying, now it’s “griefing” because (you assume) the target of the attack hasn’t bothered to learn how to win in PvP.
It’s not absurd after your medic example.
Which I note you are still refusing to answer.
The prospect doesn’t have any way of defending… As does the capsule. What are you going to protect you with? Shoot your implants?
What part of “ongoing harassment outside the scope of normal gameplay” is so hard for you to understand? Killing someone two weeks apart because they came back to the system where you operate is not ongoing harassment.
Let me give you a RL example, according to law: If 2 men have a fist fight and 1 kills the other even in self-defense, but has proven knowledge of martial arts and the other doesn’t will be convicted to manslaughter. In that order a person who doesn’t know how to PvP, against someone who does that for fun, can’t defend itself.
The other example was more simple, without any means of protection, even if you knew how to defend yourself.
People always talk about a shortage of Trit but it will be available in large quantity in HS.
But I rarely see people talking about Morphite. Mercoxit will still only be available in NS only but we’ll see a reduction of 90%.
As Morphite is used on all T2 materials (ships, modules), won’t we see a huge bottleneck with morphite? Where will we get it?
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EVE is not real life. The entire point here is that actions which are illegal or immoral in real life are perfectly normal and ethical in a game where those actions are part of the rules. It is not immoral to be a pirate in a game about piracy. It is not immoral to shoot an unarmed medic in a FPS. It is not immoral to plant a terrorist bomb in a game of Counterstrike. It is not immoral to break an agreement in a game of Diplomacy. Etc.
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You are right. That one I didn’t notice. Morphite is used mainly in T2 materials. But for this one I couldn’t think of an impact. Someone who does T2 manufacturing maybe with be able to provide more details.
Yes… Also what they ignore is that the Mexallon available in HS will be reduced by approx. 70%-75%…
Right and wrong in the same time. Actions which are illegal in RL are accepted in the game, but the morality is the same. The morality doesn’t change. And killing a char who isn’t able to defend itself will be always unethical.
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So you are taking the position that shooting an unarmed medic in a FPS is morally equivalent to the IRL war crime? Planting the bomb in Counterstrike is morally equivalent to an IRL terrorist attack?