Resource Redistribution Update

As i understand it, the objective of this change is to test the breaking point of the economy and the raw material input. It’s a phase as a part to calibrate the ores.

I think it should be clear by now the degree of involvement in low sector activity, solo, is next to impossible as miner in low. There is the prospect, (cov ops venture variation?), but even then, people may not want to lose it.

If there is anything to monitor it’s the nocxium prices. Isogen can be gathered in WH mining which can be done a venture. Arkonor and Bistot is just too large to do that in the same ship, in WH still.

If Nocxium could be added to WH belts, i think the economy would start moving again. For a new player, the price step from Cruiser at, under 10m?, to a BC, over 70m, may be impossible to cover.

Losing new players is not a good idea.

Say what? The market? As a resident of New Eden for more than a decade, it must have never occurred to me that I can source materials on the market!! (sarcasm) Of course I know I can source materials on the market. I can source all my materials on the market and never mine again. But that wholly defeats both my point and my purpose in game so that’s not gonna work for me.

All I’m saying is that scarcity could have been achieved by adjusting yields and not altering the actual structure of space making some tasks now impossible. Impossible isn’t scarce. It’s impossible. That it looks great on paper and resembles order to some dev with OCD is not my issue. Plus ore anomalies were fun when they popped up. When I mined those, I did them for the change of pace, not the massive profits. There’s nothing innocuous about removing some of the most valuable roids from belts I’ve been living in since I’m here. It’s a slap in the face. And I felt it. My whole game is about existing in one region. I live there. I work there. I’m not leaving there. But this isn’t a meta change, it’s structural. It’s like someone coming in and stealing the furniture out of your house. And all I can see is how much more difficult my in-game life is going to be without furniture. I have been here long enough to know that there are always CCP apologists who cheer on every change every time. I’m not gonna debate that.

I also think the devs are aware that these kinds of structural changes will end or irreperably harm the games of players like me. They’re not stupid. They must either assume folks will just do something else or quit and are waiting for the data. So if someone plans to hurt you and slaps you in the face, what do you do? Laugh it off? No. It’s B.S.

What annoys me is that I’ve played a ton of other games but there’s something about the time I’ve invested here that always keeps me coming back. I do care about EVE. So ultimately, I’m just disappointed. And that’s gonna be true no matter who disagrees or doesn’t understand why.

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Hoping that eventually, lowsec/highsec has the mission payouts and bounties, null got the rocks. And hybrid components for more than 8 ships.

I seriously don’t know what’s so hard to understand about this point.

I’m not telling people to stop mining altogether.

I’m telling them they can keep mining, let’s say, Veldspar and Plagio, to obtain the minerals available in High Sec, while selling any extra ore/minerals they don’t need for whatever they are making for liquid isk, which they can then use to obtain the ore/minerals that aren’t available in High Sec.

If you ever required Morphite for one of your builds before, then you probably wouldn’t bother travelling to Null for some Mercoxit mining, if you could simply buy it nearby for a reasonable price, and stick to your region as you always did.

If price of Nocxium seems expensive for you now, that’s because it’s still under the player market adjustment.

As more people join up in Low Sec mining with Rorquals alongside the current gold rush to see who can colonize it faster/better, then prices will eventually stabilize further.

We have already seen that happening with High Sec ores, with people overmining Veldspar to oblivion while it was more profitable than the other ores.

Eventually, it’s price got even with Plagio as it used to be before, and now you can mine both and still come out with more isk then you used to, simply due to these being exclusive to High Sec now, making them more scarce in other regions.

The only impossible thing now is obtaining Nocxium by mining in High Sec.

It’s not impossible to obtain Nocxium itself. It’s not been removed from the game

People need to stop acting as like this is the case, and actually give an attempt at adapting.

If you don’t wish to leave High Sec, then source Nocxium form the market. It’s as simple as that.

Do you need to source Tritanium, Pyerite and Mexallon as well? No, if you can/want to spend your time mining in High Sec.

If you had 2h to spend mining before, then you should still have the same 2h to mine now.

If all you really wish to do is manufacture, you might as well do ratting for more liquid income in those 2 hours, purchase everything you need for your industry jobs, and then be the sole manufacturer, while leaving the job of material procurement to others.

Wrong.

It’s like a furniture artisan that harvested all the wood from trees and pelts from animals to make their products being unable to manufacture them because now hunting animals is illegal in their region, and they can’t get the pelts anymore.

They either go hunting for pelts elsewhere, or sell some wood they cut to purchase pelts from the market, which have been collected from approved hunting zones.

If what you have is a mindset of the artisan who wants to go out and collect everything by yourself and then manufacture it with your own hands, then fair enough, that playstyle has been affected.

Keeping this niche playstyle intact, instead of an attempt at changing the entire ecosystem to a better state in the long term isn’t worth it in my opinion, and CCP probably thought the same.

I live in Stain Sansha’s area and yesterday they spawned 2 Arkanor belts. BUT nothing in them because the NPC’s come and mine all out and the NPC 's that protect them come and come and make it unusable.
The Game is Junk to be honest

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I’m really not sure why one or two folks on the forum persist in arguing against perfectly reasonable points like this.

For the likes of you and me Sleep, if we need some material or other we would go to the market and buy it, no problem.

For the folks who really enjoy the crafting side of the game (possibly to the exclusion of all or much of the rest of the content), this isn’t what they enjoy doing - for these folk, it’s more about scraping up those resources themselves and building the things. If they’re doing that in high sec, there is absolutely no way at all they can compete on price with null refining, let alone corp buybacks etc. So if it ain’t for max profit, it’s got to be for their own enjoyment.

I don’t get why it needs endless screeds of argumentative text trying to tell someone they’re playing the game wrong (or assuming it’s all a sham to hide their disappointment at losing a few Isk). It’s just silly. Not everyone min/maxes everything in Eve, some people just enjoy playing the game for its own self.

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It’s not about playing the game for fun being wrong.
It’s about demanding that the game not change on the basis of need simply because it might impact on their fun. That’s the wrong bit.

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Yes, and that is fair enough.

But in my wall of text, I brought up the point that if these folks ever needed Morphite to craft something before, they probably wouldn’t bother with a trip down to Null.

If they fully stuck to their way, and actually went for some Mercoxit mining, I can only admire their determination, even if I think it’s very impractical.

Now we get people who can’t be bothered about making a trip to low sec, but at the same time don’t want to buy their materials from the market, and say crafting whatever they need to is impossible.

In my view, it would be similar to anyone saying it’s impossible to craft anything requiring Morphite, just because they can’t mine it in High Sec.

The fact that you were able to mine it before doesn’t matter.

If I could squeeze out 1000 DPS in a ship before it got nerfed, and now it only dishes out 750 DPS, then I either change my fit, or I change my ship.

Is that ship I used useless now? Maybe for the activity I did before, if that required 1000 DPS, but it should be still fine for most things, as 750 DPS is still pretty good.

Does the game suck for me if I liked to fly and deals loads of damage with that ship, and only that ship? Probably yes.

Does it mean it’s impossible to fly that ship? Nope.

I’d still have all my skills for flying it, and would be less efficient than before, but if all I want to do is fly that ship, then I can still do it just fine.

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Really? You actually believe that they pay money for their subs??? LOL

They pay with PLEX bought with real money. If there is no bots - PLEX demand will decrease a lot, hence less PLEX will be bought with real cash to be sold in game,

So yes, in a way, botters and mass afk farmers is benefitial for CCP.

And, by the looks of it, money form afk farmers is more important for CCP than healthy game economy.

No , as it’s becoming scarce even in null, so lot less available in HS market too.

I multi box 6 accounts, pay cash for all of them, and I have never used plex to pay for playing time. I’m not a bot, I don’t afk mine, I make all my own clicks, and I fly everyone of my ships! If you hate BOTS but buy skill injectors and plex, your no better than those who cheat with BOTS. The damage skill injectors and plex have on the economy is no different than the BOT cheaters

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That is a very arrogant attitude. How dare people complain about changes to a game, that they play for fun, because the changes reduce their fun?

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Because their fun is not paramount over everyone who doesnt share than fun.

Not sure whether you are agreeing with me; in case not, I am not saying their views are paramount, but they are perfectly worthy of being aired. In other words, they are perfectly entitled to complain.

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As is everyone else.

As are those who complain about the complaining.

Its just an endless cycle.

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Oh, absolutely. I just object to certain people arrogantly proclaiming what is a legitimate complaint, and what is not, based purely on their own prejudices. And anyone who says “adapt and overcome” should be banned, not just from the fora, but from the game…

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I shouldnt pay much attention.

While CCP takes the position of never declaring the actual answer to anything in a way thats clear to everybody, any points raised are essentially moot.

Your fun being impacted is not a valid opposition to a balance change.
It’s a valid complaint sure, but the complaint is “I don’t find EVE fun” to which the clear answer is “Well go find another game you do find fun”.
If you want to oppose a balance change, you need to do it on some actual substance.

P.S. Adapt & overcome is pretty much the mantra of PvP sandbox type games, not just EVE.

is it time to rethink redistribution yet?