Been a part of EVE for more than 12 years. I understand the stated goal, but this is just unacceptable. To make the game more enjoyable for stagnant null old-timers, you destroy the game for hi-sec old-timers? Not whining. Just really disappointed. I won’t be re-subbing.
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Dunno what you are talking about. Nullsec players have been the most punished with every change in the last two years.
Specifically, about resource redistribution:
Right now in null there is 0 ore in regular belts in most of the systems, and 95% of the anomalies are composed of bistot and arkonor, which are in position 13 and 16 of the 19 ore types in ISK per m3.
As a side result, everyone with mining equipment ( and still subbed ) is mining moons, so the price of every moon ore has dropped by half, at the very least.
The ice spawning has changed from a fixe system to a chance system, and now spawns in different constellations and in much more reduced number of anomalies.
Hisec mining is much better right now.
Who wants to do PI and mine a moon? I sure don’t. I actually enjoy belt mining. I’ve been unwinding after work by mining and building my little ‘empire’ for a really long time. 4 accounts. An orca pilot and 3 miners. No big deal but it’s not afk anything. I rotate between those guys nonstop. You know, at one time, I was head of a 100 man corp for years, but as life has gone on and I have less time for these things, what I have going solo is more than enough to have kept me here and subbed. Or before 2020’s ‘improvements’ it would’ve been. But EVE changes so fast nowadays, you can’t even keep up. I just don’t agree that ores need to be so region specific in hi-sec that some had to be removed entirely. Margins are already razor thin. Most people don’t engage in industry for the massive profits. They do it because they enjoy building things. I enjoy building things. Bring back kernite and omber. And comeon. The random Omber/Jaspet anomaly wasn’t hurting anybody. Most of them went untouched. I’ve enjoyed my time in EVE. But I won’t be forced into low-sec or null-sec or anyplace else. I won’t be forced to mine trit only and play the way some dev thinks I need to play. That’s my choice. But this year has already shown that I now can’t have a station in hi-sec w/o getting decced for its new core and now I can’t even mine kernite? Really? Kernite? That’s B.S. So to keep some semblance of my decade of gameplay I’ll have to live in a npc station, pay more and wait longer for everything, mine only tritanium, and hope npc swarms don’t invade and take my stuff. All while everything else gets shifted to lower sec space. It’s just nonsense. And maybe I’m just getting too old for nonsense.
A long time ago there was a robust discussion here on the forums about the relationship between PGC (player-generated content) and player fluidity. It goes without saying that player interactions drive PGC so it makes sense that for the health of the game, you would want to incentivize activities that promote interaction. But it shouldn’t be that solo gameplay is made so difficult as to make it impossible. In a sandbox, there should be enough room for all types of gameplay. Find your own way. Do you. Everyone undocked is engaged in PVP whether they know it or acknowledge that fact and this all contributes to PGC at some level. All I know is this, I’m not getting herded into low-sec to chase after ores I’ve mined my entire EVE career while simultaneously being denied services and tools I’ve had access to. That sounds like a different game. And I don’t think I wanna pay for that game. Maybe in a cpl years, I’ll pop back in and see what’s going on. I did have a lot of fun here after all. It’s just a shame to see things go downhill so quick.
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Exactly. As another HS solo player, I really miss the ore anomalies, for the simple reason that they were random and unpredictable. My main Omega character might be toddling about his business, jump into a system and - hey, an anom, let us take a look. Anything worth having there? Worth changing my plans to spend time mining, rather than cracking on to my destination? Or an Alpha, running an errand, finds an anom. Is it worth going back to get the Venture and spend twenty minutes getting 5k m3 of Jaspet that will keep that character going in Zydrine small change for local production for a couple of months?
People waffle on all the time about content on these fora. Well, you know what, HS ore anomalies, for solo players, were a valuable (not in ISK terms, but fun terms) piece of content, and I am damned sure were not wrecking the economy. I wish they would return. You could even drop them from the Agency to stop gangs of multiboxing gannets from finding them so easily - the whole point was the joy of finding them unexpectedly on your travels and deciding whether they were worth a diversion.
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There’s nothing stopping you from taking a look, find a chance wormhole to lowsec or nullsec directly, and just farm the anoms or belts on the other side. It certainly lacks the security of high sec, but then I guess that’s the entire point, to have some resources not available without a minimum of risk.
Oh, I mine in low sec occasionally, and in wormholes. You are missing the point - it is not about risk avoidance, but about content for the casual player, that does no harm to the economy or the game’s health. The economy is in a mess, no doubt. But the HS anoms were hardly a massive faucet, were they? In fact, with the stripping out of some ores from HS belts, the case for anomalies is actually strengthened. That is exactly what they would be - anomalies.
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I’m done with mining and manufacturing now and this game!. it is a complete waste of time and effort for virtually zero reward. I WILL NOT be forced into low or null against my wishes! CCP seem to forget that there are a great many players that reside in hi-sec and pay real cash to play this game and time after time after time the miners get nerfed. Now they are nerfed to the point of just giving up. Sure the Ore prices went up a bit so we got a short lived profit run but now the hi-sec ores are LOWER than before the redistribuiton yet the low and null sec ores/mins are still grossly high in price. Perhaps CCP should act on the reports of scripted Orca miners on ice belts? There has been numerous players reporting a huge bunch of ice miners in a few hi-sec systems where i am for weeks now and yet nothing has been done about them. Every day, every 4 hours after depletion, the ice spawns. They all eject from the local station and line up perfectly in rows, ready for the synchronous warp to the ice and then each orca moves to it’s preset ice block. It’s the exact same every time, the same character’s orca on the same ice block in the spawn. When you are able to mine ice out from under them they just hang in space doing nothing with the drone orbiting them. Currently 23 of them flitting between 3 hisec systems and wiping out the locals who were using the ice for their stations. Heaven forbid anyone else trying to grab some ice when the user is around as he uses a Machariel to bounce you right off the ice belt so you don’t have a chance of getting anything at all. Now tell me that isn’t hurting the economy!!! What have you got to say about that CCP??
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That’s simply due to people overfarming it and dumping everything onto the market at once.
At first, price of Veldspar was double of Plagio, and Scordite and Pyro were in the dumpster, somewhere in the rates of 1/3 of veld price.
Now Plagio and Veldspar prices are somewhat even, while Scordite and Pyro are fighting it out to see who get to be 3rd place, but they are pretty even as well.
With changes to drone aggression, you can expect more people moving to high sec to AFK mine, so prices might drop even more, making mining in low sec or going to WHs for gas the only reasonable mining income for a while, until people find the next gold rush and move to it.
Why not?
Ive been running one as an Alpha since the change without a Core and its still totally fine. Im waiting to see what happens in January before I decide what to do with it but Coreless Stations could become worth good isk.
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Please stop with these BS arguments.
These ores haven’t been removed from the game.
It’s simply harder to source the ore/minerals now than it was before.
If you enjoy industry and building things, then you probably wouldn’t mind sourcing your materials from the market to build your stuff, even if you are at a loss.
If you still cared about profit, then you could put buy orders for cheaper, haul or contract a courier job, and keep track or market tendencies, to see what is worth building, and what isn’t, just like any other decent industrialist out there.
Ahh see, while there’s plenty of folks harping on (on both sides, to coin a phrase…) in this discussion, you’ve decided to call out the most measured and reasonable post here as being BS.
I think the point Yonis makes here is pretty spot on - for the casual high sec player (as I had been for most of the last 10 years, when subbed) this makes perfect sense. And it’s a shame that these little random oddities are no longer there to spur a little detour.
Yes, if you are going for min/max, or are trying to build an industrial empire, or what have you this is a silly thing to put across. But there’s plenty of players that just enjoy a little off-hand dabble on the edges of high sec and will continue paying subs to do this.
Of course, where the real issue is, is whether there are enough players of this type floating about the place to warrant putting such little things back in when they have a potential to be gamed / farmed as suggested. Can’t answer that one, but I’m definitely on the side of the high sec casuals too.
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The casual High Sec player will certainly be surprised when they don’t find Kernite available in High Sec, because the casual EVE players don’t bother visiting the forums, reading patch notes, or even keeping up with the game.
They are casual players after all.
When they find no Kernite, they will finally start looking around for info on where to find Kernite.
They’ll learn it’s now only in Null Sec.
Probably many won’t bother going to Low Sec, because they know it’s very likely they will die, as they are casual PvE players, and don’t get too involved in PvP.
Some casual PvP players might go there take a look, just to see what they might bump into, be it some Kernite, or some players.
The casual players left in High Sec with no Kernite will then look on other methods to obtain Kernite, or Nocxium, for that matter, if that’s all they need.
The market is the easiest option on where to source it from, withotu needing to go to Low Sec, but it’s also possible to obtain it from reprocessing modules and etc, so they will find new stuff about the game they never knew, as they just played casually.
Trying to stretch the issue some people are having as affecting the whole playerbase is ridiculous.
People are mad it’s harder to get profits now if they choose to just play in High Sec, and putting out an argument that they simply enjoy building, and don’t care about profits at all doesn’t justify their displeasure, because they can still build stuff while getting the mats from other places.
It’s a BS argument, that tries to overshadow the real reason they are mad.
Their margin profits are gone. That’s all there is to it.
If anything, actual industrialists are very happy now that so many casual people won’t bother flooding the market with stuff they sold for 0.01 Isk profit margins, and manufacturing stuff might actually become a viable again.
Can I have your stuff ?
Even wasn’t what all the defenders claimed. Higher was…and with yield down, even price = lower income
Income was high for a while, but the economy already adjusted to all the people coming over to High Sec for the gold rush.
If you were smart and hoarded your Veldspar before the change, then you made bank selling it for unreasonable prices on the first few days.
No one that has been playing this game for a while would have expected the price to remain like that for long though.
Currently, it’s still possible to make bank by mining in Low Sec, but if more and more Rorquals start to join the party, we’ll also see the price of Kernite and all the other Low Sec exclusive stuff plummet, because it’s being overmined there as well.
The most this change has cause me is to hoard any plagio I had left until the price stabilized, which I just sold a few days ago, as it doesn’t seem it will go up any further.
I’m still hoarding some stocks of compressed pyro for the same reason, but it’s not something that is killing me from the inside for how terrible it’s value is now compared to before, as it was my decision to keep half of my ore for after the update while selling half before, just in case.
We can only predict how the market will behave with each change, but never perfectly tell for how long, and to what rates it will be.
You are missing the point. The defenders of CCP’s actions said miners would make more money because “scarcity.” And it just isn’t so.
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look at the prices, arkonor and bistot is even less worth then veldspar…
actually 0.0 miners got hit harder bei this change then highsec miners…
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Ignoring the rest of the strawman.
The removal of ore anomalies from highsec does remove an interesting find, and also removes life from the game world as anomalies created a changing landscape. There was no real need for this change, as mentioned above they didn’t produce significantly large amounts of ore and the number at any one time could have been tuned down.
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That’s not the main point of my argument here.
This is my main point.
If people just enjoy building things, they can still build things just fine.
No blueprints have been removed, or their research resetted, or even restricted to Omega only, or whatnot.
The only change is that it’s harder to acquire the raw materials for crafting if you don’t leave High Sec, and don’t want to purchase expensive sell orders available near you.
I don’t hold any strong opinions regarding High Sec ore anoms, as they are indeed extra random content that’s been removed, but not removing them woudln’t really create the exclusivity deals that CCP aimed for.
JFYI, there are still ways to grab Kernite by mining it in High Sec, as they still spawn in a specific career agent mission(Industry part9), but it’s just way too much effort to get to it when compared to simply buying it from the market, so I don’t bother with it.
Ok? Who cares? I’m not responding to that point. I’m responding to the point about the ore anomalies, not about you assigning rage to people based on very little.