Becoming part of the problem would be griefing people in game. There is zero problem with griefing people on the forums, and no consequences for it, Solstice serves as proof of this.
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Griefing is griefing.
When you say something like…
…all of your credibility goes out the window, regardless of context.
Then explain how Solstice gets to spend his entire day trolling random newbs and quitting threads?
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Irrelevant. Sol is their own unique individual. What they do has no bearing on how you live your life.
If you are against “griefing,” but then spend your time griefing others, for whatever reason, that’s hypocrisy.
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Again, if all griefing is bad, his free pass to troll people is actually a logical problem for claiming this as a fact. If all griefing is bad, in game griefing is bad as well, and needs to stop, the fact that CCP can’t (read: wont) stop chinese bots from farming and selling items is evidence that they actively do not care about the behavior of their players, even the ones they claim to be banning.
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It’s not your prerogative to decide what griefing is and isn’t; you’re not the authority on the matter, here at least. Taking things into your own hands doesn’t make you an agent of justice, but a vigilante. All you’re doing is imposing your will on others without their consent.
Like I said, you’re welcome to do things this way as is your right (as long as you stay within the confines of the game/forum rules), but it is what it is. Your method effectively turns you into a griefer yourself, whether you want it to or not, by your own definition of griefing.
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Yes actually, it is. I’m the one playing the game. If I weren’t playing, then i’d have no right to decide what griefing was and wasn’t, but because i’m a player, my perspective matters, no matter how many gankbabies claim otherwise, this voice will contrinue to point out their sociopathic hypocrisy.
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No, it’s not. You have the right to an opinion on what griefing is, but you don’t get to define and codify it. That’s CCP’s job. Their game, their world, their rules. You’re just a tourist, and you don’t get to decide on what the local laws are, and how they’re applied. At best, you can make a suggestion.
CCP doesn’t do their job, again, they refuse to stop the problems with RMTs and Chinese/Russian bot networks (people they claim to be opposed to and actively banning), so it’s up to players to do it for them, as usual. Don’t believe me? Google “Eve online cheapest plex”.
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Just because CCP don’t do their job (at least according to your opinion), doesn’t change the fact that the prerogative still lies with them. I’m going to make it clear for the last time: you don’t get to decide anything. If you did, then you could make your stance enforceable and actionable. But it’s not, because you have zero executive power to make anything actually happen. That’s why you’re here, talking, instead of in-game, handing out bans to gankers.
If that makes you feel better, great! But it is what it is, and doing what you’re doing still makes you a hypocrite, because your actions, as impotent as they are, are intended to force your will upon others without their consent, which falls in line with what you perceive griefing to be. And just like the “griefers” in-game, you’re able to “get away” with it because what you’re doing isn’t in-line what what CCP defines to be griefing, making you a non-threat.
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Again, if they’re not doing their job, it is the prerogative of those dealing with their neglect to handle the problems themselves.
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You can believe whatever you want to believe. The rest of us will rest easy knowing that you have absolutely no power to enforce your viewpoint.
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So, you’re content with them doing nothing, and not enforcing their own rules? Great game you seem to want there.
Example: Rookie Griefing – EVE Online
Against the rules, bannable, and yet, if rookies aren’t told about this program, they never report the harassment, complain in Rookie Chat and get spam replies like “don’t fly what you can’t lose” and “undocking is consent to pvp”.
When CCP agrees to enforce their own rules, i’ll agree to abide by them.
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What are we talking about, again? Ganking or botting? Because the two are entirely different. There are no general rules against the former because it’s a completely valid gameplay mechanic, and defining it as “griefing” is internal to you.
The article you linked above deals specifically with attacking/baiting/killing new players in “starter” systems. If someone is doing that, then yes, they should be punished for that. If you spot instances of that happening, you should make appropriate reports. However, I don’t believe instances of that are very common, and I really doubt anyone here, like Sol for example, engage in this behavior. Even CODE. doesn’t do that.
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You claimed me griefing the forums while wanting griefing to end in game makes me a hypocrite.
I pointed out that the game is made by and for hypocrites, and in fact that hypocrisy is encouraged by CCP’s lack of enforcement of their own rules.
You went on and on about the general idea that i’m wrong because i’m a hypocrite.
I pointed out specific examples of enforced hypocrisy in the game.
You got confused.
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No, you haven’t. You pasted a knowledge base article that prohibits a specific activity, but you haven’t made any examples of that activity actually taking place.
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Picking and choosing the portions you want to reply to… seems kinda… hypocritical?
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I replied to what I felt needed a reply.
If you have any concrete examples of CCP not enforcing their own rules, feel free to provide them. Until you do, it’s just hearsay.
Google “eve online cheapest plex”. Notice all those websites, selling plex for half of what ccp charges or less? The fact that they haven’t been shut down by lawsuits or any of the other readily available means a coporation like CCP has to combat such activity, is clear indication they have no real interest in enforcing their own rules.
If rules aren’t enforced, they don’t exist.
I fail to see what RMT has to do with griefing new players in starter systems.
If your claim is that because CCP isn’t able to properly combat RMT, then your assumption that they don’t do anything about players griefing rookies in starter systems necessarily holds true, that’s a real stretch, and you won’t be taken seriously by anyone here.
Provide examples of CCP ignoring instances of in-game griefing specifically.