They put an item up, buy 50% of the tickets, they win their own raffle item, get their own invested money back as well as the money the others invested.
Rinse and repeat until the item is won by another player. Low risk with potentially high rewards.
It’s a system entirely and utterly designed in favour of scammers because CCP knows that is where the money is.
sounds like you are refusing to enjoy the wisdom the professional gambler here is giving to you for free
Go build a probability distribution. You’ll see that buying your own tickets doesn’t result in any sort of increased return. All it allows you to do is hang on to the same item for longer, which is meaningless, because you can just go on the market and buy another item to raffle off.
In fact it actually slows down the rate at which you make income, because if you buy 50% of your own nodes, you’d need to hold 2 raffles to make the same amount of profit that you’d make from holding a single raffle and keeping all the nodes public.
Why do you try so hard to educate people?
Nah, I’m not ignoring your “wisdom”. In what world do they need to buy 50% of the tickets to make up for the HyperCore and taxes? That’s non-sense and you know it.
Take a Kronos for example;
• 82m fee
• 278 HyperCores, ~89m á 320k each
That’s 171m to be paid in fees, whereas a ticket would cost 204m. I do agree that those fees are ridiculous, but 50% tickets are not necessary to make up for those fees.
My point is that you shouldn’t be able to buy tickets of your own raffle. Of course, people would just use alts to do this either way, but at least then maybe 99% of all raffles wouldn’t have 50% of all tickets already bought.
Even if they removed the 5% tax, nothing would change - people would still buy 50% of their own tickets.
you miss the point
if i buy or if others buy there is NO DIFFERENCE
the only thing that matters is total price of the raffle vs price of the item on the market
if ii am the casino and i can play FOR FREE i can put my profit veeeeeeery low
imagine 1 million profit per raffle
in THE LONG RUN i can make bilions , but if i do a stupid expensive raffle no one will buy and i will lose my investment in hypercore + taxes
the way to improve the game is to take our the taxes
im dumb 
There’s a reason CCP outlawed player-run raffles and gambling. Oh… Wait.
Buddy, if you think there is any material difference in the operation of a raffle depending on who buys each ticket, I am not the delusional one.
Does it make it possible to win your own raffle and re-list the item? Sure. Does it materially affect the chances for any individual ticket to win? No.
We need some casino minigames for playing when docked.
People are really bad with probabilities. But I’m still always surprised when I see it in posts like this.
Fun fact: Blink actually had a way to make money by just generating some tickets for cheap and then use them in promos (the ones where you could only buy one ticket, not the huge ticket sink events). Yet people did not believe me, even when I showed the math, because that can’t possibly be, it’s gambling.
Ged god at math kids! It’s like really useful a lot of times! No matter if it’s about how likely it is you lose your money, or to actually spot opportunities to make some.
See https://www.oecd.org/pisa/data/
I can see why they want games segregated from RoW vs China players.
Welcome back!
Scammers, how?
The hypernet doesn’t allow any scamming, at most it allows players to sell their items for more than it is worth, just like the market.
Oh, it is one of those threads again.
Do you seriously think it matters who buys the other tickets for the expected value of individual tickets?
All that matters are:
If someone else wants to buy their own tickets, there’s nothing wrong with that. It wouldn’t be any different for owners of tickets if the owner of the raffle, an alt, a friend or a complete random person buys other tickets. The chances of winning, the price and reward simply do not change.
The only ‘scam’ someone can do on the hypernet is to raffle an item for more than it is worth, but you can see that price up front when you buy a ticket so it’s really easy to avoid the overpriced tickets.
Okay, let’s take a look at it from the seller’s perspective:
Three reasons a player may buy their own tickets are, as far as I understand:
Only the third option could be considered a scam, but the scam part is not that they’re buying back the ticket (they’re buying the same overpriced tickets they’re trying to sell to other players, after all, and they would much rather sell the item rather than gain it back as that means a loss of hypernet cores), the scam part is that they’re selling overpriced tickets.
As a buyer, the simple way to avoid paying too much on the hypernet is to check the price of the ticket, multiply it by the amount of tickets sold and see if that is less than or equal to what you would be willing to pay for the item in that location if you were to buy it directly.
And if that price is good, why care about whoever else buys the tickets?
Right how can it be a scam if you SEE the guy buying his own tickets… Get some consumer experience people yeesh.
In a fully fledged version of the captain’s quarters and related first-person station content.
I really don’t understand why you people are defending this kind of mechanic, I don’t mind the raffle system as a whole - but rather the way CCP encourages it to be used.
Not only do they buy into 50% of their raffle, they also use alt accounts to buy another ticket to make it seem as though other independent people are partaking in the raffle.
And during my testing, if I do buy 1 ticket, they use even more alts to purchase the other tickets - it’s always the same names that show up.
With these kind of odds, they’re likely to be able to use the same item several times over. Yes, it’s RNG, but the odds are heavily in their favour.
Even if the 5% tax is removed, this behaviour will not change. It’s not about making up the costs for the HyperNet Cores or the taxes, it’s a way to make easy money with relatively low risk.
You people are really doing all you can to try and sugarcoat this, trying to claim it’s to make up for the taxes/cost of cores, or to finish the raffle before the time expires. Even if it does expire, the creator gets their money back except for the cores. So the losses for an expires raffle aren’t that big.
It’s absolutely disgusting to see people defend this mechanic and how it is currently being used, and it’s equally as worrying to see that people fall for this kind of stuff.
you just don’t understand how gambling works
or you are a troll
if you pay one dollar to have a 1% change to get 1000 dollars you can bet your house … doesn’t matter if the other player have 99% change you are getting 10 for 1
its expected that you win one in every 100 and them you get 1000 new bets
edit:
them you can take your 100 dolars out and still have 900
and its expected that you get 9 bets , so now you have 9k
you will have more money than elon in no time
edit2:thats why there is 0 on the roulette
if you play in a single number they pay you 36 for 1 dollar
but the roulette have two zeros so you have 1/38 change to win
thats how the cassino make money
doesn’t matter if they have 10% + on you or 1% , in the long run they get money and you fail, the more you play the more you fail
so a good game like baccarat have low negative expected return , also perfect play blackjack , thats why the pros like those games
slots have high negative expected return and even so its about -5% / -8%
Let’s say you have bought a ticket.
Could you please explain to me how it matters for your ticket who owns the other tickets?
