Do experienced players actually adhere to this?
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I filed a complaint just last week for Tar - griefing 5-day-old characters. So apparently not.
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Was it griefing though? In soe systems griefing is only defined as âdestroying, stealing, or ransoming mission critical itemsâ engaging players, and even ganking them IS permitted within soe arc systems.
You got 32,000 people logging in every day, with 31,995 having better things to do than pester newbies in their starter systems. Although the 5 can âruin the gameâ for a few newbies, from a percentage point of view, players adhere to the rules.
But you have to keep in mind that itâs a PVP game, and the simplest way to figure out someoneâs personality is to shoot and see how they react. Some of the PVP / pirate corps RECRUIT this way. In any case, getting your ship shot is not âgriefingâ.
And, if you feel youâve been griefed, by all means create a support ticket. Thatâs what the tickets are for. CCP does put some effort into trying to attract new players, and theyâll reimburse ships and items if the free ones you get from the career agents arenât sufficient.
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From the same article youâre citing, Iâm reading this:
- Attempting to abuse a new players lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems.
- This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely . . .
- Players are advised to reconsider any aggressive action against new players . . .
@Bjorn_Tyrson unambiguous if you cite the whole article and not just parts of it, and I witnessed and recorded all of the above occurring from the vantage point of my cloaked ship.
Also, your cited article does not state that âdestroying, stealing, or ransoming mission critical itemsâ is the standard definition of griefing as you suggest, and, as it stands, thereâs language that says thatâs actually not the said definition - specifically ânot limited toâ. You left that language out as well. And if ganking is somehow âpermittedâ, then how can you state that ganking is somehow not âdestroyingâ ?
Lastly, anyone whoâs been around the game for any reasonable length of time knows exactly what griefing is, and thatâs literally what the article is all about - griefing new players is not permitted. Hence the title of the article, Rookie Griefing.
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Lol same to you
Yes Tar is on that Sisters list and yes that would be banned.
But when you say
That is wrong and you are wrong
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SCAM/BLOW UP/WARDEC/GRIEF ROOKIES.
Just NOT in a âprotected systemâ that is listed on that page you linked.
Im an expert on Newbie Griefing btw.
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Good to know, so I 'm sure you didnât miss the part where I clearly stated that this all occurred in Tar.
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Actually you are never allowed to grief anyone in EVE. Grief play is prohibited.
Just ganking != griefing.
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Thank you for the facts. My assumption going forward (even sideways) will be that Eve is pretty much anything goes and Iâll try to prepare myself accordingly
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You nailed it. ⌠within the boundaries of the (quite well balanced) mechanics of course.
Also, judging from your character creation date you just passed 30 days and thus will not be considered a rookie anymore in any system. Going forward, you are playing Eve with the rest of us and New Eden is a full-time PvP sandbox where you can always be shot. Donât worry, with experience you will find that you can be almost completely safe in highsec just by paying attention, and if you follow the most important Golden Rule and not fly anything you cannot afford to lose, you are at no real risk to the other players.
But to answer your question, yes, most players follow the Rookie Griefing rules and the few that donât (on purpose or by mistake) get sanctioned by CCP. If you feel that someone broke the rules file a support ticket here:
Reminds me of SocraticâŚ
Well, someone has to keep the number of players down so we can complain about CCP doing it wrong, right?
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Youâre partially wrong too.
The only way to wardec a newbie is if theyâre in a player corp, killing newbies in a player corp via wardec is permissible in every system in hisec, including the protected ones; once someone joins a player corp, they are no longer considered to be newbies under the protection of the rookie griefing policy, a GM/Dev said as much on the old forums.
If a newbie gains a suspect flag by taking something from you without encouragement, then you can shoot them in the face regardless of whether or not the system is on the protected list.
What you canât do is use their lack of knowledge about the game against them in order to put them in a situation where you can shoot them in the face in the protected systems. For instance: Can baiting in those systems with cans named âfree stuffâ, telling newbies to turn their safety to amber because they canât take from the can, and then shooting them in the face when they do take from the can would be considered rookie griefing.
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