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Or it could be a more Machiavellian adult who is drumming up responses, ire and emotion regarding the game on various topics to gauge feelings and responses trying to keep players engaged and entertained on the forums. Forum PvP is a thing and its basically the equivalent of feeding full T1 ships fit with T1 modules for the luls simply because they can.

The only real question is what is the end game then?

But the likelihood is also that it is someone with brain damage and that is the limit of their intellectual abilities….

The order-listing and order-change fees are reducing market liquidity. In Jita, this leads to price instability, and outside of Jita it often results in markets having very little available for sale, among other issues. That seems counterproductive.

In other words, the order-listing and order-change fees make the game feel less active than it actually is, which can encourage players to move toward other games or hobbies. Duh.

We dont need people changing orders by 0.01 isk. That day is over. And unless you are sitting in markets doing nothing else in game, I dont see that one change making that big a difference.

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Sorry, you really need those people—otherwise the market suffers.

Market does not suffer. It doesn’t suffer at all. Only the player suffers because his ore didn’t sell before someone else’s sold. The market doesn’t care about the order.

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Charging a fee to list and update market orders is harming the entire market. It will take a lot of time and effort to resolve tho.

I didn’t say anything about the fee one way or the other.

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This is now about the 250th time you’ve repeated this exact same line in one thread or another. You just ignore all responses and carry on repeating it ad nauseum. Indeed, your last 7 posts on this thread all say pretty much the exact same thing. There’s zero actual argument put forth, just a repeated demand that your assertion is true. This is trolling. There really isn’t anything else one can call it.

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It’s not making any difference in fact. Complete imaginary effect.

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Jita..

Probably nothing. It’s likely related to the event and other factors. However, it wouldn’t be sold out if updating market orders didn’t cost so much ISK. Without those high fees, people could list orders of 100 units without having to pay an unreasonable amount every time they adjust the price.


Take a look at this spread. Buyers aren’t very motivated to compete for a better price because the fee is tied to the total value of the order. Increasing the price means paying a higher fee. As a result, the spreads become unreasonable, and selling anything in Jita becomes a frustrating experience.

Liquidity is so bad that est.price is off by over 40% :clown_face: People are uninstalling because of how bad market liquidity is.

A sudden rise in demand wouldn’t be solved with lower fees.

The problem is lack of sell orders and not enough traders with stock to make use of this opportunity to fill the demand.

If anything is a time when people wouldn’t care about setup fees it’s now, because the margins in this opportunity are huge.

Your example is like the opposite of what you’re trying to tell us. Fees matter when the margins are thin, they very much aren’t thin here.

With zero competing sell offers people can ask nearly anything for their sell offers, so they’ll easily make back their fees and more.

So where’s your proof that ‘people are uninstalling’ because of this?

Or are you just shouting nonsense again?

(How low should the liquidity go before you consider uninstalling?)

There ought to be some economic experts working on EVE Online

I’m starting to think this guy doesn’t understand economics, either in or out of game.

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Faction missiles have ALWAYS been around 1k-2k per missile even when it was 0.01 isk market game.. stfu.

When the market functions this poorly it is costing players

A supplier of large quantities of any item can sell quantities at different prices across a range that covers rising and falling prices, such that there will always be some point at which one of their listings is the cheapest ( which is what most tend to go for ). They don’t need to keep adjusting prices….only a fool sells all their product at one price and gets undercut for weeks on end.

When there is a fee to list orders and a fee to modify them, several predictable behaviors and market effects tend to emerge:

1. Fewer orders are listed

Participants become more selective about placing orders.
Since every listing costs money, traders avoid experimenting or placing tentative orders.

2. Less frequent price adjustments

Traders hesitate to update prices because each change triggers a fee.
As a result, prices can become “sticky,” adjusting more slowly than they normally would.

3. Wider bid–ask spreads

Because fewer people are willing to adjust to match current conditions, spreads widen.
This reduces market efficiency.

4. Lower liquidity

With fewer orders and fewer updates, the market becomes thinner.
This can make it harder to buy or sell without affecting the price.

5. More cautious or strategic behavior

Participants may:

  • bundle changes into fewer, larger updates
  • wait longer between adjustments
  • use smaller size changes to minimize risk

6. Market inefficiency increases

Prices reflect information more slowly, making the market less responsive and potentially more costly for participants.

…and?