We had this discussion a thousand times and the two sides will never agree here.
“Private Property” does not protect anyone from law enforcement, at least in most parts of the world. If you are a wanted by the police (or “outlaw” by EVE standards), you can have a Platinum Walmart Membership (+10.0 blue standing -_-) and still they wouldn’t let you hide in their market. If so, a SWAT team would quickly kick in the doors of that market and drag you out. Period.
Transferring that to EVE, if you are at a Security Status that the FactionPolice wants you, no private property should be able to house you. But, of course we could make it realistic: We let the owner decide if he allows docking for Outlaws, but as long as an Outlaw is docked there, the FactionPolice will attack the station to force him out? Deal?
So, if CCP would really implement that into the game (we don’t know this yet), for me personally it would make absolutely sense that being actively hunted by the police prevents you from any docking in HighSec. But we proably won’t agree, as said.
This kind of logic is exactly the reason behind my gripe with people using roleplay-related reasons to justify roleplay-unrelated changes.
Look, if you want to go down this route, then how about this: if a mission runner kills even a single NPC that belongs to a faction’s navy, that faction will now permanently hunt that player using the full extent of their might. Because, after all, what kind of sovereign military power would allow some rando to shoot up a bunch of their service members, and then not do anything about it?
You can’t just cherry-pick your convenience like that. Either we go for full-on roleplay realism mode, or we actually make the game fun to play. It’s very unlikely that you can have both.
The question is surely whether what claims to be a ‘sandbox’ should be so absurdly micro-managed. And how is one supposed to plan long term when CCP keep moving the goal posts every 5 minutes.
Hyperbole much? You arent going to be -10 and permanently hunted by the FacPol “with all of their might” for a single Capsuleer Kill either. Its a path you choose and at some point, being an Outlaw and being wanted in HighSec is a consequence of staying on that path.
Same for Missionrunners, if they fly long enough for Minmatar, they will lose enough standing to Amarr so their FacPol will hunt them. I personally would agree if at that point you can’t dock anywhere in Amarr HighSec any more. Same with FW, if you fight for Amarr, you can’t dock anywhere in Minmatar space and vice versa.
I don’t need to pick anything. CCP needs to decide how they want the rules to be in their game. Should they make this decision, I could understand it, nothing more I have said. Also these “either-or” statements are all nonsense, there is always an “in between”, nothing is just black or white, the sweetspot probably lies somewhere in the gray. And it’s not even clear if the total amount of “fun” is going down from such changes, because what you hate, others might enjoy and we don’t really know how many players would dislike and how many players would like such a change.
Why would faction police care about capsuleers killing other capsuleers? We’re immortal, and we cause no wider damage when we fight each other because the extent of our engagements is limited to blowing up spaceships that we build with the minerals we acquire by ourselves. It’s basically like a parent telling two siblings to not get too rowdy while roughhousing with each other. When we attack each other, we’re not attacking sovereign civilian targets, and it makes absolute sense that the punishments for doing so would be low.
Okay, congratulations. You’ve established a very clear chain of cause and effect for EVE’s system of sovereign consequence enforcement, and in the process of doing so, made the game an absolute chore to play. Happy now?
I don’t know how many people like this or that, but what I do know is that this game has become nothing like the game that was created, developed, and advertised during its first decade.
How can I know, I am the Amarr Emperor or Leader of the Caldari State? Maybe they just want to make absolutely clear that they have the absolute power in their domain and won’t let anyone, not even immortal capsuleers, blow up stuff without explicit permission? Sounds logical to me, because thats how it is done in the country I live and that system seems to work well.
You are free to believe whatever you want. But to me it looks like you really like to exaggerate by a large margin to look like you have a point.
Yeah, the “good old times”. They are gone. And they won’t come back. And in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing CCP could even do to bring them back.
In EVE a player structure is literally many astronomical units away and how the hell would the police know someone is over there?
Making the police having a say around there is just stupid gameplay.
Faction Police shouldn’t even show up on player grids, grids where player structures are anchored like stations and pocos. Let the gankers AND LOW SEC PIRATES anchor stations on highsec and fight timers on highec, it should be up for them to decide.
There is lots of EVE lore (like the chronicles) that establishes that capsuleers are seen as “nearly sovereign” by the empires, and are allowed to essentially do whatever they want to do as long as it doesn’t negatively affect the empires themselves, because of how much technological progress they make, and how powerful they are physically (a capsuleer ship is much stronger than a regular ship, and the empires wouldn’t want to deal with a capsuleer insurrection).
Thats your argument? They have sophisticated scanners and surveillance instruments, how else would they find Outlaws anywhere in the system, like they obviously currently do?
Thats just your opinion. I disagree, I’d say its perfectly fine to have harsh consquences in a harsh game for blowing up other peoples ships over and over again.
Go suggest that, maybe you find supporters. I’d say let everyone have their corner. What you want already exists it’s called “LowSec”. Just do a few jumps and you are in your dreamland.
Sec Status is only a measure of capsuleer on capsuleer violence. It has no effects on the empires who own the majority of the stations. They have no roleplay reason to deny a person the ability to dock unless they have low standings to their faction. CONCORD polices capsuleers, and that’s all they do. They let all the pirate factions run rampant even if they’re right in front of their noses. It’s fairly obvious that they don’t care whether you live or die, only that you lose your ship if you shoot another capsuleer first. They don’t even get involved if you shoot at a faction’s navy ships or the faction police they’re supposedly aligned to so they don’t care about them either.
Except maybe for stations CONCORD owns, it does not make logical sense that a capsuleer would be denied docking at a station for having low sec status if you ask me, given the way the NPCs interact (or don’t) in the game. It makes even less sense from a roleplay perspective if the person denied docking has high standings to the faction that owns the station.
The consequence of shooting capsuleers was that you lose standings to those capsuleers and /they/ attack you on sight. A thing they could do because you’ve lost sec status and your CONCORD protection. If capsuleers don’t want to protect themselves through their own exertions, like the empires do, then from the empires’ points of view that’s someone else’s problem. For their part, they’re happy to have you dock up and spend money so they can collect their broker fees and market taxes. Cha ching.
My whole view on the subject is making people more mobile and having more freedom.
The “just make more alts” for this and for that is just horse crap.
But some chumps in the community want all possible styles of gameplay be completely plastered and restricted, it’s the same people who scream “eve is dying”
Well then go write a complaint to the Amarr Ministry of Internal Order why the heck they send the FactionPolice after you if you travel trough their space as an Outlaw. I don’t make the rules, the Empires (through CCPs godly intervention) do that.
It is kinda funny actually. You can have really high empire standing, but if your security status is too low, the faction police chase you all over the place. Makes no sense at all, but CCP was too lazy to code new NPCs to do the job.
Are they though? I haven’t seen any gankers in here saying eve is dying. Im actually pretty sure @Aiko_Danuja popped in just to say they would still gank stuff
Oh well… “eve is dying” is just a phrase, meaning someone is complaining about any changes he thinks are bad for the game (and in most cases meaning: bad for his game style).
And of course they will keep ganking, they are addicted to it. And its really not like the stuff we have seen so far would make ganking impossible in any way. It will be just a little more inconvenient, which is totally fine in my opinion.
