I’m now fairly certain my claim is not a falsehood.
Again your lack of understanding of how business works is direct proof you will not ever understand the environment CCP is trying to create in the game. You can sit here and cry for spreadsheets, but it is very clear we need new life in the game, and it isn’t going to come in the form of ganking is cool; let’s do more… you have the vast majority of space called Null to do that in, but everyone wants it all in all areas, and it is not working.
JJ
If lying to yourself makes you feel better about being against Freedom then well enough.
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What I mean is someone gets ganked, they say they can’t defend and can’t mine or can’t mission or what-have-you. What do I tell them to do in order to ‘counter’ the ganker so that they can mine or mission without losing their ship. That’s the kind of counter people complaining are asking me for and believe should exist. What you’re describing is a proactive approach rather than a defense.
I do appreciate that you took the time to answer, though.
What you thought you can play Pirate and not actually be one? Want to be a Priate do it, don’t do it and get finally some consequence and act like this is some unbalance. It is one step closer to balance.
JJ
Any reader can scroll up and see the mentality difference between us and recognize that in the universe you envision people indeed do have the freedom to play the game “the way allowed by CCP”. And then they can see in the universe I envision people indeed have the freedom to play the game “the way they want to”, inviting a wealth of player interaction as players exert their expression and agency upon each other.
Too little too late, in my opinion. It’s been a long time since CCP decided that losing its silent majority player base for the harvesting of “lulz” and “tears” was an acceptable risk to their business model.
The vast majority of players are now long gone. This is a fix that should have been executed decades ago while you still had a decent player base asking for this change.
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Lies.
It is 1000% PvP LOL.
Why would you do it solo? Do you lack the social skills to get friends to help you or
Why must you always “get” something? I suppose you mean ISK. I get you’re also bad at the game and can’t stop farming for even an instant right?
What you “get” is the satisfaction of stopping these people you supposedly hate. Interrupting and disrupting their activities, which you allegedly don’t like.
It won’t even cost much, tho I can already tell you have no idea what kind of fleet to field.
What toxic the truth? It is obvious you do not have the player skill to counter gankers. If you did or knew how, they wouldn’t be a problem.
Shall I tell you how to do it? It really isn’t that hard.
It is hard to have a constructive discussion here with a reply like that. Just because another player will punish your greedy fitting choices just means you can do the same to them, that’s what freedom is. How that’s done could be different using wealth of mechanics and social interactions—mercs, camps, scams, subterfuge, etc. Not asking CCP to step in and referee with heavy handed authoritarianism.
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That would require thought. And playing the game 
Tis hard to nowadays I gather.
No
Literally, everything in the game is around getting something. Maybe you don’t understand why people play games. And seems most of your friends on here don’t either.
No what a person would get is a job they get nothing for, and don’t get to do what wanted to do which is play the game. This is very simple not sure why the concept is so difficult.
When you are hunting your scary venture yes it is cheap to chase down.
It is toxic because you think putting me down proves something. You don’t understand the 100 different views, and that is okay most can’t put themselves it other shoes. I won’t hold that against you.
Taking advice from you would be the worse Eve decision I have ever made.
JJ
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Lets just get rid of all the variants out there, T1 and T2… problem solved right…
JJ
LOL yes. No matter how many times you say no, it will not make it so.
It is a player vs a player. One “wins” and one doesn’t.
I already outlined what you get. Not everything is tangible my guy
LOL. I get that this concept is a bit too abstract for you. Frankly it makes me a bit concerned for you.
Sigh. No quafflewaffle, I mean your ganker pursuit fleet. Please try to stay abreast of what the convo is about.
It is super cheap to construct a very good -10 ganker cata hunting fleet. It can be flown by low SP pilots as well.
It isn’t a put down bruv. It is the truth. On the contrary, I understand the crybears and you. Sadly, you do not understand the game you chose to play.
And instead of either learning or HFTU, you instead cry to daddy CCP to change the game to your ways instead of what the game actually is.
Not really. But it’d take effort, prep, skill and thought. I gather that’s hard for you
If you’d wanted a constructive discussion with me, you wouldn’t have started with this personal attack.
End of discussion.
If saying “you sound like someone who doesn’t live in low sec” is a grave personal insult then I am sincerely very sorry for the deep offense that caused as I was under a totally different understanding.
Shooting Ventures isn’t PvP Gix it is ganking. You are scared to go into null and see how you would fair and I get it. Doing real PvP is scary when the other people in the system are good at PvP, I get it you would lose as much as you win if you are as good as you say.
This is why your thoughts lose value, you don’t understand the Customer.
I am not saying no one would like it, but what I am saying is that it wouldn’t be popular enough to draw people to the game. I am hoping you are understanding what we are trying to do, which is keep the game alive that we both enjoy.
It isn’t truth you know zero about me for good reasons. It is a game we chose to play, like you, and the game wasn’t designed for you. I have miles of post on this go back and read if you need a refresher.
HFTU is so over used and this isn’t a moment for it. There is no harding up here, this is a fundamental change that needs to happen. If you wanted to use HTFU it would be gankers need to go into Null and rob ESS banks and do lots and lots of PVP there, a great, huge, vast part of the game. But no you like carebear land as much as the people you are saying are in carebear land.
Yeah okay, Eve ship master, I guess I will see you in the AT next year with your fleet of super skilled ganker friends taking everyone out with your amazing skills…
JJ
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Again. Lies.
There a difference in the statement I quoted and the one you are using to minimize your fourberie.
You know damn well what that meant and so do I.
I would’ve fallen for that cheap trick eons ago. You are not sincere.
Unfortunately we both know what understanding you were under.
@Jesse_W_James All great points, really.
These changes will bring more players to the game, meaning more capsuleers willing to train for Losec and Null, more players in corporations… all good for EVE.
Those bemoaning the changes will simply have to up their game or go do some real PvP in Low and Null.
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The good of EvE
Well as long as Hilmar’s bank is more important than fun, thats true.