Security status effects tethering

I think good changes and have been in the making for some time. You can’t play pirate and have no counter to your game style. This is well overdue and think a good change to get new people in the game. And it isn’t the end of ganking, you can still gank there are just better consequences other than rinsing and repeating. Many of my eve friends think this is step in the right direction to grow the game.

JJ

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Thanks! Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for you, what with all the stereotyping and ongoing unconstructive behavior:

Indeed I do. It’s the growing proportion of sheltered players like you that don’t & will never speak up for us and actively celebrate our demise, that’s the problem. I’m under no illusion that the gameplay I enjoy is on a limited timer before it too disappears.

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If it was a common occurrence I would expect CCP to do something. It could also be argued that it is similar to the cloaky camping thing where they made sure anyone able to do that was omega because of its impact, but I personally doubt the impact was on the same level as to warrant a complete lockout.

But, yanno, whatevs. It is the way it is and that’s the way it’s gonna be for a while.

Adapting to what?

EVE has always been what it’s been. Its the crying to daddy CCP that is changing.

I’ve been told its too hard for people to Google information on a near 20 year old game to learn stuff.

It is the quality of the player that has gone down over the years.

There is a literal counter. You’re just too cowardly to use it :smiley: Fit up, fleet up, and fly out and stop them.

But you won’t. You’ll just keep crying to daddy CCP to save you.

Honestly, it’s pathetic LOL.

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And it gnaws at you and people like you who cannot order other human beings to do your bidding, doesn’t it?
Freedom for others disturbs you.
We’re here to remind you people that you are not gods.

Yeah rats dock up all the time…And no you are not going to find a group of gankers hanging about, they have specific way of doing things even you know that.

For the benefit of your fellows, describe how they can counter ganking when these changes go live. I would want to reference it the next time someone tells me there is none and they need to be informed of what they have overlooked.

Not at all!

Rather than asking me, you’re projecting an imaginary caricature onto me.

Many many people escape me in Lowsec. Does that bother me? No! They had the freedom to AFK, or not. They had the freedom to max-yield their fit, or not. They chose to not AFK and fit for agility. I had the freedom to fit for sig resolution, and didn’t. They get away, I lose out. Fair trade to me.

And LOL – do you imagine pirates just travel around Lowsec and talk in Local stuff like “peasant, do my bidding! Give me your stuff, or die now!” :rofl: Ransoms are not a thing and this kind of crap you find more in nullsec from alliance leaders than anything pirate.

A sandbox of shrinking mechanics, where players who demand “AFK-piloting, max-yield-no-tank fits” without having to face tradeoffs, the game mechanics come in that are asymmetric so that these afk-piloted max-yield-fitted folks are the ones that get the game to order their bidding: The game literally says “no” as an authority on their behalf. Game says “Thou shalt have no more NPC corp friendly fire”. And then people point to that authority and say “nyah nyah you can’t hurt me!” That’s not freedom: I don’t get game mechanics that literally go “nyah nyah you can’t fit max-yield and you must remain glued to your chair!”. I as a player have to use my freedom to actively punish those choices.

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Here is the data you are looking for… EVE-Offline :: EVE-Online Status monitor

JJ

And there are ways to find them, both in game and thru meta gaming.

You realize if you make them dock, they aren’t ganking right? And therefore you are preventing them from indeed ganking.

See, this is what I mean when I say the majority of you do not know how to PvP nor understand tactics.

PvP isn’t just pressing F1. Winning doesn’t always mean making people burn in space.

I get you aren’t good enough at the game to hunt players in game. So you cry to daddy CCP instead.

As I said, still pathetic :smiley:

The four main Factions are at war and as a Capsuleer decides which faction start with spawns in highsec where they then begin their pirate adventure.
If there was an option to create a Blood Raider from the log in then sure start in Low or even NPC Null.

I don’t really know how to answer that =(

Ganking isn’t PvP, lets be clear we call it ganking for a reason. There is zero any one player can do chasing a group of alts or individual players around trying to make them dock. What do you gain? What is the reward? What would you even get?

lol you are too funny, who promoted you to the top of the high and mighty… trying to put me down make you feel good? See this is what is wrong the ganking community, they are toxic.

I am here for you Gix, reach out anytime.

JJ

Didn’t even read the rest. You’re denying something that is so evident it could bite your nose.
People like you, who want to deny folks the freedom to choose for themselves, are constantly crying about changes that benefit the whole, are constantly trying to order people around and tell them what to do and how they should behave… this forum is chock full of such examples, from people like you who shut down conversations with insults and ridicule all because someone wants to do something different.
Spare me your hypocrisy.

Bozo the clown who lives in his head as his only friend.

Toxic and mean old goats.

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We are talking about a tiny percentage of systems in-game. If you can’t grow somewhere in the game that has been around for 20 years, why do you think anyone would want to join up? If you want that freedom there is a place, join a Null alliance, which is the intentions of the game.

JJ

I can’t believe that CCP would do something as drastic as this without a very good reason, and that is the only thing I can think of that would push them to do that. In terms of the cloaking issue, a lot of people warned CCP about that as a potential problem so they disabled the cloak on Alpha accounts, I would argue that with the observatory that this is now moot.

Do you want me to do that? I did it above, the first change is that the ganker has less time to get into position, he has to undock, he has to perhaps warp to a instra undock then warp to a perch. In doing so some of his fleet can be picked off. The target can try to rush through the gate, though if there is a bumper it can be held for three minutes, and of course if there is a suicide point in position, but with Concord pulled to that he has less time to get that kill. The target can also chose to play chicken on the gate, which is risky.

The Gankers are suggesting that they lose their ships if their target is not there, but in Uedama for example there is a lowsec system next door and simply jumping through into lowsec dropping off their ships to be picked up by an alt and coming back in their pods gets around that issue.

The moving around to avoid facpol is what they did before, so it is in effect just reversing a major buff to the ease and efficiency of ganking that tethering really was. I expect the gankers to easily adjust to this, just like they did to the bumping change.

What are the graphs actually showing, I don’t see any labels, sorry.

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If you don’t understand players and game health, then not much we talk about is there.

JJ

Oh good, the “■■■■ over the marginalized because The Majority benefits” definition of freedom.

It’s like I wrote a poem about that once.

I respect your right to exercise your freedom to be ignorant.

:roll_eyes:

Go do the something different and deal with the consequences. Weren’t you telling me to “go be dangerous” and I said “Yes, I do”? It’s no different, except you can’t handle the consequences.

When you finally get someone that will debate you in earnest, and it surprises you how much we actually have in common, and I begin to look like an empathizable human, all you can resort to is personal attacks and demonizing in continuing atttempts to alienate players with actually different playstyles that are languishing and dying in LowSec.

You say I’m the hypocrite, but I think any keen reader can identify the ongoing projection.

That is not direct proof, sorry.

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Then be happy with your falshood and quit crying over a couple changes, Felicia.