Other new players only. Anyone else in lowsec will own them pretty easily.
If a player wants to start their alpha account career as a pirate, then highsec suspect baiting will be about the best option they’ll have.
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By the time they decide to go to Low they’ll be ready to lose fughts until they win some, just like any other pirate did before him.
And doing piracy in Hisec isn’t a must.
That’s one option. There could be other occasions too.
That isn’t what Frostpacker was asking about.
How do they start as a pirate?
No of course, but again, that’s completely irrelevant to the question asked.
Do they have to start as Hisec Gankers? No other way than that?
What about those who get in with Losec/Nullsec corporations? Do they have to start piracy in Hisec?
Spoken like someone who hasn’t lived in low sec.
I already get low-sec hate mail from killing AFK ventures and empty-ship LP farmers in Faction Warfare. It’s only a matter of time before they cry to CCP and CCP starts making LowSec like HighSec Lite.
Yes, it is. The way to get normal players in to Lowsec is to make HighSec and LowSec’s danger levels relatively the same with small difference. That way, folks think “I can survive HighSec and LowSec isn’t much worse” and go and take the moderate increase in Risk to make the moderate increase in ISK.
Right now there’s a huge wide gulf of “danger levels” between High Sec and Low Sec. So when CCP decides to “revitalize Low Sec” they are faced with narrowing the danger gap between the two spaces. They’re looking at either:
- Making HighSec more dangerous, but not as dangerous as LowSec
- Making LowSec safer, but not as safe as HighSec
And you and I know which one they’re going to pick to cut costs at the complaint department.
Also, High Sec piracy is a must if you want newbie pirates. They have to learn how to live in New Eden too just like anyone else, but as usual the “but muh freedum” self-victimization crowd doesn’t actually understand what freedom means.
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How do you know I haven’t lived in Losec?
You obviously know nothing of what you are talking about.
Quit wasting my time.
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Then they wouldn’t be ones following your previous answer, which was:
Certainly, if someone joins and then goes to nullsec, they aren’t a pirate. They are just a nullsec player and that is also completely irrelevant to your answer that new alpha account players can start their pirate careers in lowsec.
The best a new alpha account player will be able to do, to start as a pirate, will be to begin stealing from cans and suspect baiting in highsec. They’ll still lose a few ships, but that’s far better than following the advice to begin in lowsec.
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You tell me LOL. They ain’t gonna be pirating anyone.
But you knew that already 
But there won’t. And you know this.
So why lie?
It is glaringly obvious to those of us who’ve actually lived there
This is readily and easily falsifiable with third party information.
I inhabit the forums just like you. Feel free to block me because otherwise I’m pushing back against your points.
Feel free to ignore them at your own peril, good luck convincing everyone else who is reading my counterpoints though.
Nothing stopping gankers from living in a high sec static wh and raining down destruction from wh’s into high sec, it just means they can’t effectively live in high sec themselves unless they consume tons of tags which is probibly not sustainable as I’ve tried hunting for the tags and although it is do-able it wont work for mass amounts of people farming them.
Or just living in those low sec systems that are alone bordered by high secs.
Tbh there is still tons of options available to them I think they will just adapt it wont be too hard for them.
They are free to do what they want. Just because I wrote they will start their pirate career in Low doesn’t mean they will.
All these options sound really fun, but CCP implemented these measures to reduce “rookie grieifing” .
“Rookie griefers” can keep doing their thing as usual in Highsec, there is no need to go to a different place.
Who is going to profit from the tethering and docking changes? not rookies for sure.
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Do you actually have a point to make in this thread or are you just posting whatever goes through your mind?
These coming changes are good for the game.
If you don’t like them you can always go play another game
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The point is there is no other game like Eve, and these changes are on the roadmap towards making Eve like every other game.
While you and folks who celebrate a safe universe have a plethora of other games to choose from, other folks who thrive living in a universe completely full of constant player danger do not have that luxury.
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EVE is still EVE, even with the couple of changes they may be making to it. Small changes to make piracy in Hi and Abyss a little more exciting and challenging. Nothing to cry over, it’s not the end of ganking.
All you elite PvPers who flex on the Carebear Miners, you’re the shiznit, yea? Gankers from hell, the best of the best of the best couldn’t handle some challenge placed there to curb your awesomeness?
I’ve met people unironically like this. I get why it’s easy to paint people with a broad brush with this attitude, but it’s stereotyping. Whenever you feel like giving up the stereotype and engaging with the people you’re talking to, myself and others are here.
I’m not a ganker. I’m a guy with the opinion that “New Eden isn’t a dangerous universe, and it should be”. That’s my bias, so it isn’t surprising I’m against changes that on the whole IMO don’t do much to add danger and just add more mechanics to make low-sec-status folks (recall: this also includes Lowsec pirates, not just gankers) that much more elbows-and-knees.
It might seem strange that I speak up for gankers, then, when I quite frankly am not one of them and not interested in their playstyle. I am speaking up because I want to avoid the continual trend of the last 10 years.
At first they came for the high sec NPC corp friendly-firing pirates, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a high sec NPC corp friendly-firing pirate.
Then they went after the high sec wardeccers, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a high sec wardeccer.
They went after the high sec can flippers, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a high sec can flipper.
They went after the player bounty hunters, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a player bounty hunter.
When they come after me in Lowsec, there won’t be anyone left to speak up for me.
There’ll just be people like you telling us to “HTFU” and harvesting salt and celebrating the end of toxicity in Eve Online.
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They aren’t good for the game
You’ll see. Actually as other regulars have said, the problem isn’t us. Its those coming in wanting to change EVE into something it isn’t.
You can play NMS and punch trees to your heart’s content
You realize most of the PvPers here don’t even fit that stereotype?
Most of us aren’t even full time gankers.
It is highly obvious you are not that experienced in MMOs or EVE.
What’s funny is the toxicity will get worse, because they’ll be in perfect safety and can run their mouth with no consequences
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If certain players were using disposable alpha ganking alts to blow up new players in their Ventures I would expect CCP to react to that, tell me it is not so? As I said I would really love to see their metrics for this.
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How noble of you.
Aren’t you a player, too? Then go make it unsafe
I never said that, although I should now but I won’t.
All I’m saying is: it’s good for the game.
They are good for the game
EVE isn’t changing into something it isn’t, it’s adapting. Quit being such a drama queen.
What’s NMS?