“low sec isnt ganking?” I was saying it in a more sarcastic manner…
Please learn to read before you comment on it. 
It doesn’t have to be about grinding isk, it is all how you look at it. But to have fun like you said you have to have a 100M isk first. There has to be a way new players to make isk in relative safety as they skill up and stock up. Me personally 100M isn’t much, not a issue. For most new players that didn’t go straight for a plex purchase it is a lot.
The argument isn’t if PvP is fun in the game, it is. It is how players are engaged in it, that would be the split in the argument.
JJ
It doesn’t, but a first step. So please do keep undocking and continue the grief runs so that step two comes much faster.
JJ
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You think null is real pvp? That’s more ganking than anything I’ve ever seen in hi sec. We were dropping 25 Blops on 6 man thrasher fleets. Elite pvp. And when we weren’t that it was 250 man HAC fleets anchoring up and F1 ing each other. The worst pvpers I’ve ever seen in this game live in null. I get that you hate Gix but at least use like WHs or something as an example. The only hi speed pvp that happens in null is when Tuskers or someone crashes in to pick fights at an ESS.
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In the past I have given new players a free pass and even refunded their losses.
Rest assured, I will dedicate my next Venture killing spree in your name and tell them “JJ said it was fine”, and new players will be back on the menu.
Do you want you want, I can’t control you, you are simply the type of player not needed in the game and it will get fixed, not worried about that.
JJ
What is your point? Where does real PvP happen, ganking isn’t real PvP, it is ganking. There is zero counter to it, not even fitting. There seems to be a common theme of misunderstanding, and you add a very narrow view of the game to the list. The next thing you will tell me is the Eve economy will crash without ganking.
I don’t hate Gix, we see things differently, I think naturally when defending an opposite side of a story. No harm in that.
What would be wrong with moving PvP to only Low, WH, Null? High sec system-wise is such a small part of the game. It isn’t that you want to shoot something or you could do Abyssal runs, which are actually very hard. But shooting a venture gives some more pleasure because they know they affected someone in the game, and it is an issue as discussed in many threads here.
If you want to have a real discussion here all weekend.
JJ
Honestly at this point I don’t really care if they remove all pvp from hi sec as long as they keep certain minerals and needed items out of there. If you want to build anything, you need stuff from low or null or WH. If they do that can we all shut up? You and Lucas and everyone can finally be quiet about griefing and ganking and non consensual pvp and everything. Would that make everyone happy? Or do you think people would just move their complaints into pvp in low sec? How about just you? If they remove any pvp from hi sec but leave every other space alone, would that be enough? Would you agree to never mention this garbage again?
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Yes, I think that is what it will come to, similar to what they are actively doing on the Chinese server. I would love the new map they are getting, but who knows. And I would agree on Low, WH, and Null are fine, I think Low could use some help in the mineral department; their moons shouldn’t be the same as high sec and ice the same. I would like to see low become a more attractive place to live. And even though owned by Empires, I think Low Sec should take a only tiny hit on security status for any PvP if any at all, it is expected there.
This would open high sec for new players to carebear until they get brave enough to jump through that next level, which for most I think would happen. There will be others that stay, but fine in the scheme of things, but more new players mean more opportunity for people to move out and expand Eve.
JJ
I think if all pvp is removed from high sec. than any reward in high sec should be minimal at best.
I would strip a lot of the belts out (lore wise, because the miners depleted all the reserves in lawful space).
Remove all moon mining (lore wise, environmental activists put a hault on it.
Move all level 3 and level 4 missions to low sec
Combat anomalies are minimally paid out
Super easy, low pay out exploration anomalies
And nerf rat bounties by 90%.
High sec trade posts should have an additional 20% tax imposed on selling there because that’s just doing the cost of business in a saftey land. Gotta pay those cops somehow. But reduce that tax to 0 in low sec to help get some markets there going.
But, I would impose one low sec nerf. Gate camps. In order to make this work, low sec would need to be a bit more accessible especially in those choke systems.
Sorry Rancor, Tama, Haglier. As much fun as it is to sit off a gate blasting your smartbombs with your logi alt healing you while you watch Netflix afk racking up those kills, that’s just gunna have to stop.
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No no no. We won’t know if this is the end times until I actually get a woman to give me her phone number.
I’ll check back in roughly a day and let you know.
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CCP change EVE recently to appease the haulers agenda
They don’t care about that stuff, the same people who run bots who can autopilot directly gate to gate were pushing this narrative against the tether and other things for years
If you want to take revenge the targets are the big haulers
Deal.
I still have ganker tears on ice from that time we started busting wrecks. Took roughly a week for these tough leet guys to go crying to CCP.
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I don’t think I’ve seen a gate camp outside of Abazhon in quite awhile. Occasionally there are like 2 dudes in a SB Praxis every once in awhile. Can we disable SBs within 200km of the gate, but get rid of gate guns in LS? They make frig and dessie pvp at gates basically a non starter.
You are right about that
Hey long time no see, I hope you are well. Yeah you and the others doing that did a really good job, one of my regrets is that I did not really have my character ready and by the time he was ready CCP nerfed it due to the gankers complaining. Great times…
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I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve jumped a frig into a LS system with another frig and we just have to stare at each other.
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I know you are salty as always, but don’t you think what you are saying would only slow down normal progression for players to get to low, wh, null? I don’t think you fully understand the goal here, and what CCP is trying to do and why you are pissed about it.
Stay salty,
JJ
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Massive irony in that lowsec was nothing more than a hunting ground full of bored lowsec gankers complaining “CCP why nobody go to lowsec? Make force them to come to me! But highsec stuff in lowsec naow hurf blurf!” and now the people who have to go to lowsec are the low tier gankers who operate in highsec.
It’s also funny that while they have forced PVP on people interested in PvE, PvE is being forced on them in the form of tag grinding.
People being forced to do stuff. It’s almost like a game or something.
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