Someone sounds jelly and salty 
Just a quick comment on being able to get in ships stored in an Orca and a Bowhead, I am totally fine with it, no issue, I am totally happy. AG players if there are any still out there⌠just need to scan down that big ship and see if they can nab them as they board. I see that as adding to the game. Now do carry onâŚ
You are not forced to gank new players. Youâre not forced to gank anyone. If you choose to gank new players then donât be upset when CCP bring in more changes to nerf ganking even further.
For years gankers have chosen to attack new players and this is the result. You had thousands of opportunities to change your behaviour and pick worthwhile targets rather than new players. You decided not to do that, so now there are consequences.
Youâve said before that you donât think gankers affect most people, so surely all the people not being ganked would already be bored and have left? But they havenât.
Lots of people enjoy PvE. I find the idea of flying around in cheap ships shooting new players all day to be boring, but gankers do it. Thereâs that guy that flies back and forward between gates all day oneshot killing pods too. It seems like almost all day every day too (somewhere near Hek I think). So why is that fun but PvE isnât?
You canât attribute your taste to other people, so stop making these sweeping doommongering statements based on your taste.
Hate to break this to you, but facpo despawn and relocate. Have caused them to do this dozens of times from spots I desired them not to be, by undocking in corvettes at another station.
Unless you undock simultaneously with a timer from every station in system with 10 at each, will not be a problem for gankers.
Hmm not everything though. I regularly see large chums of them sitting at gate or near station. But yes, they usually despawn, so what @Arya_Yeshe wrote is not that big deal actually. Plus even without instaundock bm there is a way to safely undock and warp even 180° away - not feasible with a multibox fleet, but when contrlling 1 or 2 ships it can be done - stop the ship immediatelly after undock, then right before invulnerability ends warp away, that way you will have almost 0 speed and when they web you instawarp.
No, thatâs just your usual twisting of what others say. What I actually said was that ganking provides a level of risk that makes highsec a more exciting place to be. Most people leave Eve because they are boredâŚnot because they are ganked. Remove the gank risk from highsec and you make it even more boring a place than it already is !
Sure, but people who want an ONLY PvE environment have no end of single player games to play, as the whole frikin idea of a combat MMO is that you interact combat-wise with other players ! There would otherwise be zero point in it being an MMO.
Whatâs more, your entire position is made utter nonsense of by the fact that things like being zapped by NPC rats in an asteroid belt are just as ânon consensualâ as you claim ganking to be. By what level of hypocrisy is that just fine and dandy whilst it is horrid and awful and wicked if a human player is behind the zapping ??
That is a good troll summoning spell. Letâs see how long it takes to work.
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It depends on the npc station, if itâs Minmatar you are likely to die in a 180 degrees
Iâve never twisted anything. Can you provide any evidence that the majority of highsec players only enjoy the game because gankers exist? You know you canât, I know you canât and we both know youâre just making it up. YOU like ganking so YOU project your views on everyone else. Thereâ are countless people that really do just enjoy PvE though and gankers disappearing would not change that.
So what if theyâve got no end of PvE games to play? Youâve got no end of pure PvP games to play, so if all you want is constant player vs player fighting, go play one of them. See? It works both ways.
NPCs are not players. If you consider the loss to players and the loss to NPCs to be identical then Iâd ask why you need PvP at all. If NPCs and players and equivalent then you should be just as happy to only be able to shoot NPCs as you are shooting players, right?
Not quite!
I donât really know why I can make them spawn in every station I tested, they were never pulled from the previous station
They will eventually despawn tough
THE ANTI-GANKER PARADOX
The logical argument that anti-gankers simply cannot get round :-
People who insist ganking badly affects player retention must, by definition, fall into one of these two categoriesâŚ
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âŚhave been ganked at some point themselves. In which case their own continued existence in Eve is counter evidence to the claim that ganking affects player retention.
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âŚnever have been ganked. In which case their own continued existence in Eve demonstrates just how uncommon ganking actually isâŚwhich is counter evidence to the claim that ganking affects player retention.
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Thatâs not a logical argument, itâs just a categorization youâve made up and makes no sense.
Letâs take an extreme, fictional example and say that 99% of people were ganked and of those half left the game. By your âlogicâ anyone in the 1% that didnât get ganked would be proof that it doesnât affect retention, even though it definitely does if nearly half of all players are leaving because of it.
This isnât an argument about retention anyway. The discussion about retention is already over, you lost.
This discussion is about whether people enjoy doing PvE without ganking, which many players do. You made up a claim that without ganking PvE players would stop enjoying PvE and now youâve realised you canât possibly support that claim with facts but youâre too angry to just accept you messed up.
Just about everything you post is extreme fiction.
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Your lack of self-awareness is shocking.
Why do you even waste your time with [Redacted]âs obvious alt?
By feeding it, they will keep coming back. Itâs best to ignore it.
LOL still pushing this lie.
Amazing
Youâll notice theyâve stopped claiming to be a new player too
There is an end game actually. No one is asking for pure PvP.
Itâs ok tho, from your posts I gather you donât got much experience in the MMO realm
Mm not really
Oh? You make claims all the time without backing them up ROFL.
True.
Yennoe whatâs funny? They must always think they are so smart, hiding behind various sock puppets, taking a weird glee because they think we donât know who they are.
But itâs just weird man.
Imagine being so afraid in a vidya game, you take such measures LOL.
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When did I stop claiming to be a new player? I just research a lot.
If noone is asking for pure PvP then having PvE areas is fine. Iâm glad we can now agree.
Why do you insist on insulting people whenever you respond to any posts? Canât you just be calm and civil?
Itâs hard to be afraid in a video game when they donât play it.
âResearch a lotâ
ROFL.
LOL no one is campaigning for no PvE silly quaffle.
However, people are campaigning for PvE only
No one is insulting you? You seem a bit emotional bruv. Projecting innit?
Very true LOL.
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