We understand you refuse to accept that any information in scanning that does not go beyond listening for signals that ships send out of their hulls is not equal to sending signals into a hull and trying to get information from inside it.
So let me put it this way,
Why is a SCANNER penetrating a hull aggressive? What makes a hull so different to a can or mobile structure?
Going down this route takes longer, but at the end itās going to fall back on either the expectations of privacy (which is false) or ājust causeā.
You meanā¦ājust causeā.
Exactly the point. ājust causeā you donāt accept a different view it is thus wrong. You donāt actually present reasons why changing the others would convert them into penetration of the outer hull. You just assume they will be considered as penetrating the outer hull ājust causeā and nothing more.
No. Iām saying your view is ājust causeā.
A can, mtu or ship are all just pixels. They all have an owner as far as the game cares. Whatās the difference? When it comes to scanning, why treat them differently?
And your view is ājust causeā as well but you donāt accept that. quid pro quo.
Now lets ignore the declaration that everything in the internet is just pixels as itās off topic in the first place.
A Jetcan is an unlocked container which displays itās contents should you be near enough due to the fact that itās flimsy and will explode if not collected within 2 hours. You get close enough you can look inside.
An anchored can (also known as a secure container) is fortified to not be exploding and can remain in space. You donāt get to look inside by just being close enough. The only way you get to look inside is by scanning. The anchored can actively prevents itself from being looked into without owner permission or a good hacker skill in which you can guess the access code.
How do you equate looking into one and the other as different? Just these two.
I also canāt look inside an mtu, or a fleet hangar I donāt have access to, without scanning. But thats to do with not having access to take and nothing to do with scanning.
No, weāre not talking about MTU, fleet hangars, or other things. Just differences between a jetcan and a secure container. Try to remain on that if you can.
I just did then.
No permission to take. No looky looky without scanner.
Now why should we consider the ālooky lookyā as not actively trying to penetrate the hull?
Wrong question.
Why should we consider it aggressive?
Weāre not considering it aggressive. We consider it suspicious.
āCommander, an active scanning beacon is targeting our ship and has penetrated our hull.ā
Well looking into a jet can is suspicious. So is scanning a ships fit. Or probing someone down.
But you donāt go suspect for suspicious behaviour. You go suspect for theft, shooting peoples stuff and directly aiding in a fight youāre not part of.
So what would you do differently if such a thing were implemented?
You have a freighter full of goods 15km from the gate and suddenly a ship turns flashy yellow, what do you do?
This is where we have an issue. We are saying using your eyeballs is not suspicious. We are saying using a device to look into an area you donāt have permission to by evading the block is. Doubly so when there is a second door preventing you from seeing into a location.
Lol quick change in direction thereā¦
Eyes, devices, no difference. You become privy to the contents within just the same. Unless using a ship scanner should also cause suspect. And scanning a jet can/mtu/secure can should cause suspect. And using probes on the above etc.
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A device that allows you to access something your eyes (or actually your passive sensors) have no access.
That is, a device that allows you to bypass the defense people made.
People call it suspicious because you actively are bypassing other peopleās defenses (against intel).
You really need to drop that habit of blaming people because they answer your question. This is really childish and makes you look a lot like a troll.
Again, if you donāt want an answer, then donāt ask a question. That is hypocritical of you.
You asked why people consider the scanners aggressive. Someone tells you why it should get yourself a suspect flag. āLol quick change in direction thereā¦ā is your answerā¦ dumbass.
So your opinion on the topic is āI donāt want it, just becauseā. If you start a discussion by saying āit canāt go anywhere but to what I thinkā, this is not a discussion. So donāt ever ask questions. just leave the topic for people who actually want to discuss, there is no point in wasting time with someone who is right even when he is wrong.
Then why does it look like an aggressive module to me ?
Simply because it is only used, in HS, in order to acquire intel on people, so that you know if it is worth shooting them afterwards. It allows you to reduce the cost of ganking, and/or to give this intel to other people (as a neutral alt).
It is a factor of imbalance between gankers and ganked, as the gankers donāt have anything to lose besides what they are willingly losing. With suspect triggered by scan modules, at least the bankers will have something to lose more often than only catalysts when a target is found.
So, to me, it is aggressive from a balance perspective.
The eyes miner art was referring to is looking into peoples cans. This isnāt passive. Itās as deliberate as scanning someone.
Also, what defences? When Iām flying around what defences do i have for scanning to bypass? If there was something i could fit that block scans then youād be onto something.
Nope. From the very beginning,
Scanners causing suspect is inconsistent with both crimewatch and other scanners/probes/indirect assistance/scouting etc
You folks keep going on about suspicious behaviour but going āsuspectā has nothing to do with suspicious behaviour. It takes very deliberate and direct damage or theft to go suspect.
Waaaagh, Gankers! Just one more nerf.
Thanks for admitting it.
nope. This is passive. he is just looking at what is shown on the can. You donāt need anything for this, even a capsule can do it.
nope.
What make suspect or not is not consistent. Itās just arbitrary choices fro CCP.
Because somebody else than gankers use scanners on ppl in HS ?
You just discovered something here ?