SKNR editor = Hull specific limitations

Have you tried asking support to delete the skin you no longer wish to have?

It’s probably more effective than a HALF caps RANT.

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I think the reason you cannot use the same SKIN for a t1 raven or a navy raven (just my examples) is basically they are two different items in game. So if you make a SKIN for item 0015 its not going to work for 0025 or 0016. It was made specifically for 0015

Its not a RANT, I was angry at whoever talked to me the nth time about consciousness, so it was very specifically oriented at whoever I was responding to in that moment.

And I was also particularly angry bc I received a completely useless answer from my support request, basically copy-pasting the responses I had in this thread, so of course I tried do as you suggests. Hopefully my caps intensity levels will go down eventually as at least I can get SOMETHING done.

Also.

Why the hell the Muninn is only a Missile ship??? It was a Projectiles ship.

It got a rework because null sec was ‘Muninns online’ for a few years.

I’m glad to be flying something else than Muninns all the time.

I hate that Ship now that it has Missiles.

And having created a SKIN for it makes me angry past my usual very high threshold levels.

They destroyed the Muninn. Missiles ship there has always been tons of others.

The Muninn needs some respect and get back all of its turrets.

The Vagabond is a nice Minmatar turret HAC, if you’re looking for that kind of gameplay.

I don’t like the Hull of the Vagabond. That’s why I fly the Broadsword.

The Muninn all pimped up can’t get past 880DPS. The Cerb can go past 1000 DPS.

There’s no reasons to fly the Muninn as a missile ship.

And there are no any other Projectiles turrets ships of the cruiser class outside those two that can get comfortably to 900 DPS. whilst here’s a ton of ships that have missiles, Amarr and Gallente included, those ships should have missiles AND Turrets bonuses equals. They7 were never designed for missiles.

Only Caldari has always been designed around Missiles.

Take the Panther for example, Black Ops from Minnie. It has mixed approach. That is the right approach. Or the Tempest Fleet issue. Both systems.

That nerf involved the best Hull of every major faction, and removed it’s best projectile system, to make all of the Missile ships. That was one of the dumbest decisions ever.

They nerfed the cutting edge HAC ships of every faction.

Nobody flies them any more so much they made them ridiculous. Not even talking the specific techs now completely useless, causing DIRECT harm to those who were flying them.

There a TON of new ships now that could contest their role. Triglavians.

We need to Revert back the Nerfs and complete DMG type change they made.

Look at the Loki. Nobody is flying it anymore. It used to be the king.

I trained for years for get to the Loki and when I finally was able to fly it?

Surpise, they made it useless.

We should be seriously talking about BANNING the practice of NERFING ships, and worst of all,

CHANGE their BASIC DMG type. I mean it! BAN THIS NERF, repurpose thing.

I want to buy my LINUX car, which consumes no fuel, pay no taxes, run 1000m/s, and be sure that in 100 years, I can take it out the BOX, and it will still do 1000m/s, consume no fuel, and pay no taxes.

If SOMEONE wants to implement an OUT OF TREE experimental who knows what, that could affect one of those three basic elements of my LINUX car/spaceship, NUKE THE GUY!

If instead it does ALL OF THE TESTING required so it’s 100% sure that it won’t affect my LINUX spaceship/car, then bring it in. OTHERWISE NUKE THE GUY!

The SKINR Editor is in its infancy, so asking for PLEX payback for a system that in my eyes is still in pre-beta I THINK ITS FAIR.

If 10 years from now, someone comes up with an idea to change all SKINS designs so none of the old SKINS do works anymore, without updating the SKINS with some sort of Post-processing forced update, that SHOULD BE BANNED.

The Cerb is damage locked and the Munning gets a great application bonus, bigger number isn’t always better

The problem is that the Muninn wasn’t born as a Missile ship!

It has been completely repurposed!

Take this discourse over this other thread, please, as this one is about SKINR EDITOR.

There we can talk about the practice of NERFING/REPURPOSING ships

First of all, the only people who can enforce bans in this game are the same who do the game balance changes: CCP. It’s silly to demand a ‘ban of nerfs’.

Next, you cannot realistically improve a game and maintain game balance while also adding new content if you cannot nerf.

What you are asking for is for the game to grow stale at best, with no further updates, or increasingly unbalanced and bad at worst.

If your alternating use of caps lock didn’t already undermine my attempts to take your message seriously then this does.

People who ask for a live game that receives regular updates ‘without nerfs’ should be disqualified of giving feedback, in my opinion.

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you brought it up, not me. You come across quite rude imo

Then it WON’T work.

But ISN’T it working? CCP is being paid real money. Mission accomplished from their perspective. They won’t even let you buy services like MCT and use them as you please. Like say if you want it attached to an email account or as a tradeable item instead of strictly linked to one character account even though you bought it outside the framework of the game world. This is the same company that gutted the Character Creator, but keep the 10 hour deletion, with the intent that people make characters they don’t like to garner resculpt sales. They’ve still included no proper ability to try-on apparel before purchase even though they are demanding real money equivalent virtual currency to buy many of these items in the first place. They want you to mess up. In their minds that just makes them more money because your type will just buy more. If people keep spending PLEX then what motivation do they have to do better? So now instead of actual useful rewards we get SKINr components that are useless to 95% of us because you whales have no self-control. Same reason Nintendo can get away with Nintendo stuff. Their nintendrone customers never give them a reason to do better. Instead, people reward the likes of Nintendo and CCP for mediocrity and anti-consumer practices.

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This topic now has reached popcorn-level of stupidity. Thanks for the content, we see Dunning-Kruger live in action. Well done, well done… :thumbsupparrot:

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This happened this past Spring when CCP updated cruisers.

I used a lot of patterns in my designs, and the patterns were/went/were placed askew. Some of them ending under “gun hatches” I suppose you call them.

It affected all my designs and ruined at least a half-dozen to the point I submitted a ticket and complained, I also asked CCP to reimburse the purchasers of a few of the skins I sold. The changes were that bad.

I’ve no idea if they reimbursed those purchased skins.

So, CCP has been there, and done that, 10 years before you anticipated.

You’re exactly right. Truth is, the consumer has all the power, not the developer/seller. Just don’t pay for the product. It is that simple.

I’ve seen a situation of rapid inflation on the market (real life, not EVE), where consumer prices for certain items shot up 100%+ in a relatively short period of time. And people complained. A lot. But that’s all they did. Everybody still kept buying that stuff. If consumer stops buying, the seller/developer has no other choice but to either lower the prices, or come up with something else like offer some kind of additional benefits to make the items at inflated cost more lucrative. I’m talking in very general terms here, of course, not everything adheres to this, but the consumer is not powerless here.

I also believe that CCP has run their numbers on this. They did a 50% off sale in the Paragon Hub for SKIN sequencing at least once. If the profits during 50% off exceed profits during normal sales, they would lower the sequencing prices. The fact that they don’t tells me it is more profitable at current prices, even though people sequence less.

I was just trying to be realistic, usually I don’t adorne stuff with frankincense and mirrah, so take it for wha tit is, just an observation, nothing rude for my part, that what it is.

At your service :dizzy:

OK, OK, no caps. But you took that string out of the bigger context to make me look stupid….

The context being I have no idea to what degree stuff has changed each time I log back in, and I don’t have memorized if a ship stat was 3% bonus or 5% bonus shield etc. Multiply this for all ships that get little adjustments and you’ll soon realize for the standard buddy is increasingly hard to notice that your random ship that was barely making out alive of some specialized mission is now a dead parrot.

Again, I don’t know why we are talking about it here or even why I brought up this argument in a SKINR thread, and if there was a specific reason, I have already forgot it.

We all have to work in RL or Eve, and we have a finite number of hours to do it as best as we can.

If we stop working, then what? Of course there will be working guys that take what is left and start anew. But there is a thing called customer satisfaction. If a company do its minimum requirement, and I think CCP is doing that. For as long as it’s doing the bare minimum, people will still buy the 12 eggs package, because they are still eggs at the end of the day… there is no alternative…

If those 12 eggs now can’t feed your family for a month, because they now costs 30X what they used to, and you have to give two kids to the gods, that’s bad business, but it’s the gods business…

Oh, you break my hearth…

I don’t have to explain to you that SKINr is just a part of the Eve ecosystem right?

And one day they could introduce Characters Fabric Editor, and give away Fabrics instead of rewards… but there is already a small system, called daily goals, where they incentivize giveaway of PLEX to players… I advocate for a more complex industrial/editor system where PLEXs have also a return policy of sort.

Which will be exploited day one, then nerfed, then taken out bc of incompetence in dealing with complex systems.

Hurray.