So when does the new mechanic for ganking and standings drops take effect?

[Eteonx]

SERIOUS BUSINESS ONLY

[Bladewise]

Seriously, this guy gaslights so hard it’s unreal. Like literally everything he posts is a lie he’s told so many time even he’s convinced.

[QuakeGod]

Another 10 billion ISK worth of Orcas ganked today. CODE and SAFETY are still out there doing the Lord’s work…

Orca | Sonoff | Killmail | zKillboard
Orca | Borisov Dmitry Yu | Killmail | zKillboard
Orca | Derenas Deress | Killmail | zKillboard
Orca | Admond Duke | Killmail | zKillboard
Orca | kitkatyumyum | Killmail | zKillboard

[Vokan_Narkar]

Plus Orca | Dorrianna Memon | Killmail | zKillboard

[Total_Bedlam]

@Lucas_Kell

I told them to send out invites to everyone capable of independent thought

that’s good. Thanks for the laugh.

[QuakeGod]

Long story short, players need to HTFU. I don’t gank, but I don’t mind when it happens to me. Just part of the game. Hell, I even got ganked by Kusion himself in my Gila for jacking with him in an ice anom. I was pretty much begging for it and he obliged…

[Bladewise]

@Lucas_Kell

I have a pretty deep understanding of EVE economics

Lie

@Lucas_Kell

I genuinely don’t believe that the removal of ganking would have much of an impact.

Flip flopping. Ganking can’t be a “huge problem” and simultaneously have “no impact”.

@Lucas_Kell

Scarcity has actually put the economy in a better place to remove ganking

Flip flopping AGAIN. You JUST said that we lost our playerbase to “PvE” nerfs.

@Lucas_Kell

You’re letting that happen by refusing to even consider any type of compromise and refusing to have any serious discussions about the problem.

Gaslighting, literally having a discussion about the problem. Your compromise is hysterically bad and shows how little you actually know. Another server? Really? You don’t see how quick the game dies if we split our playerbase AGAIN?

@Lucas_Kell

We had a vote, which I won decisively.

So the head of the Crying Carebears Club asked his other club members if they were also Crying Carebears and it turns out they were. Big fking surprise.

[Total_Bedlam]

@QuakeGod

Long story short, players need to HTFU. I don’t gank, but I don’t mind when it happens to me. Just part of the game

I agree. It’s a PvP game for chistsake. Something’s gotta go BOOM
But I prefer being part of wars between corporations, it’s much more exciting. Can’t wait to go on roams too.

[Altara_Zemara]

@Lucas_Kell

We had a vote, which I won decisively.

Ah…a vote among your 100 alts, and they all voted for you.

Yeah, right…you’ve simply evaded the question as you always do.

You made the claim " Most PvE players are entirely happy coexisting with PvP as long as they can engage in at least some PvE without being forced to PvP. "

Again I ask…how do you know what ‘most PvE players’ want ?

When do we get to the bit where you just admit inventing what ‘most players’ want ?

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

Most PvE players are entirely happy coexisting with PvP as long as they can engage in at least some PvE without being forced to PvP.

Not true. Peeps cry in NW all the time because they get upset that flagging for PvP brings increased gathering luck. Never mind that you run the risk of getting killed. Then they get mad when they get killed while flagged.

It is hilarious

@Oskar_Milde

A stabilisation at the bottom of a multi-year trough, not an increase (other than marginally for R4s going into cap production).

No worries, Grampy isn’t actually a titan of industry so he doesn’t understand what you’re talking about

@Oskar_Milde

There are the things that player’s stories in Eve are made of - yes, even at the start. Those guys that camped me into station back in 09? I looked them up when I came back a few years later, and joined a group that was fighting them. I extracted my revenge. The corp they were in? Ended up in Co2, and my first nullsec experiences were fighting against that coalition. Later still, I got ganked in a wormhole in my shiny new Stratios (like a fool, I took the bait). I moved to wormholes, kept my eyes open for the group that killed me, and have since murdered every last one of them.

You say that ganking is bad for new players - I say, that this is only the case where those new players have not yet internalised that ships are ammo in Eve, and their death is inevitable. That this should be taught quickly, and repeatedly, should be obvious to any long-term player. The losses may be significant in the moment, but are ultimately easily overcome. More importantly, the learning about the reality of Eve is invaluable to shaping the experience and expectations of new players.

Without this element, we will simply be producing more generations of Eve pilots that are risk-averse, hiding away from conflict and trial to scurry out to their safe farms - be those high sec, or null. This is the mindset that allows for mega-blocs and stagnations, of content-averse players and fear of loss antithetical to the uniqueness of Eve online.

This. You sir, have learned to EVE.

@Lucas_Kell

According to CCPs actions, I am.

Not really bro. We get it. You wanna just AFK your freighters thru hi-sec, hence why you do this.

You aren’t fooling anyone brosef

@Lucas_Kell

You shouldn’t have to PvP in a sandbox game

Of course you should, if its an open world PvP game like EVE

@Lucas_Kell

That’s why you’re crying because CCP wants to try to reduce how many newbies get ganked.

Cept it isn’t noobs and you know this. Hence why you’ve never been able to provide proof

Hey uh. Did you find it on the box yet or

@Altara_Zemara

This is what happens when someone becomes so obsessed with a cause that they completely lose sight of the wood for the trees and honest discussion becomes impossible.

Actually Grampy doesn’t care about the game or the nubs. He just wants to be able to AFK his ships thru hi sec. Nubs and the game are just the flags he tries to use.

He actually goes out of his way to grief nubs as we’ve seen.

It’s wild

@Lucas_Kell

These burgers won’t flip themselves!

Oh. I thought you didn’t personally insult people?

Wild

[Eteonx]

These burgers won’t flip themselves!

PROJECTION

[Bladewise]

damn this was a good post.

[Bladewise]

Lol seriously.

I am actually a full-time saxophone player and travel all over the east coast US playing with various bands for a living. It’s pretty fking great lol.

Also, I play a lot of different games and see this entitlement trend everywhere. People want to treat a video game like it’s their job for some reason.

It appears that if these players can’t farm in 100% peace, 100% security, and present 0% content to other players outside of the self-serving act of merely participating in the market and gobbling up resources then these players will simply go berzerk on the forums until the game is completely whitewashed. All the while they’re also .00001isking every piece of PvE content in the game.

I also don’t think the gaming market is like this, as the large gaming companies would have you believe, I think the companies themselves have devolved to the point of only being able to attract this kind of customer. Whether it’s marketing, content design, or in Eve’s case, both.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

I actually think it would be cool if players could force other players to mine. Like, if they beat me in the fight, they can commandeer my capsule with a tractor beam and make me do labor by force for a certain amount of time. Force-feed me some poison and make me mine a rock in order to receive my Vitoc dose. Would create a lot of opportunities for role-play and emergent gameplay like your friends coming to bust you out of “prison,” mercy kills, fighting over prisoners, etc.

Also, people who talk about “beating gankers” by not doing anything by themselves but merely complaining on the forums and waiting for the game to be changed remind me of those kids at the playground who would hide behind their mothers’ legs during water pistol battles. I find it pretty surreal that people would actually feel proud of being one of the Eloi from The Time Machine, but I guess that’s the world we live in now.

[Xeux]

They aren’t the Eloi. The Eloi didn’t have anybody to complain to.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Also, people who talk about “beating gankers” by not doing anything by themselves but merely complaining on the forums and waiting for the game to be changed remind me of those kids at the playground who would hide behind their mothers’ legs during water pistol battles. I find it pretty surreal that people would actually feel proud of being one of the Eloi from The Time Machine, but I guess that’s the world we live in now.

This is my thing. There are already in game tools to deal with gankers.

They simply refuse to use them cause they say its too hard but in reality they just suck at the game.

[Xeux]

@Gix_Firebrand

There are already in game tools to deal with gankers.

Totally false. They want to make the gankers miserable, the way they themselves are miserable. There are no in-game tools that will accomplish that. In fact, most of the ways of “dealing with gankers,” as you call it, would actually be fun and exciting for the gankers. Kind of like squirting somebody with a squirt gun would not be effective if the other kid didn’t immediately start crying and run away to hide.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Gix_Firebrand

It is hilarious

And I thank you all from @MB_ThePhotographer !

[Oskar_Milde]

@Xeux

most of the ways of “dealing with gankers,” as you call it, would actually be fun and exciting for the gankers

Bob forbid people actually have fun and exciting interactions with other people playing this game about shooting spaceships!

Much better if they can can fit their own blinkers and remove such wild notions as “fun” from their cookie-clicker-space-simulator experience.

[Oskar_Milde]

@Lucas_Kell

Your point was to falsely claim that ganking has some bearing on the playercount

No, that was your point. You claimed that ganking was initially done for profit only (which is incorrect, but whatever), and it was only after the creation of CODE. that it became grieving, and has negatively affected player numbers ever since. Code alliance was formed pretty much exactly 10 years ago. Eve’s highest ever PCU was 6 months after, and numbers remained similarly high for at least 18 months after Code formed.

You create so many pointless arguments, you forget which ones you’ve thrown into the wind.

@Lucas_Kell

Again though, that’s based on the false premise that concern about freighters being ganked actually plays a role in people setting up

Again, that’s explicitly not what I said.

@Lucas_Kell

Yes, because the type of play you are talking about strips other players of choice.

As does yours. By your own definition, restricting PvP in highsec cannot be more sandbox-y, as it is stripping players of choice - specifically, the choice of whether to gank (for profit).

@Lucas_Kell

that sounds like a choice when presented like that, but what you’re missing out is that there are by default thousands of choices

Really, thousands? Do elaborate, or is this going to be another “I’m right but I’m not going to tell you why, just trust me?” moment?

@Lucas_Kell

I think we’ll be giving new players a chance to actually get into the game before forcing them into situations they don’t want to be in and they can organically expose themselves to more risk

So every player that has ever played Eve didn’t have a chance to get into the game? What are you even talking about? Literally 100% of every person that has ever played Eve has had the risk of being ganked in their first days. 100%. Everyone. Game has been running for coming up on 20 years. How many other games can say that? 3? 4? Out of how many hundreds in that time. By any metric you can construct that doesn’t compare Eve to another game, it has been an incredible success.

Your arguments are weak, if they are not just entirely randomly generated. Your reasoning and evidence is weaker yet, where it isn’t just fabricated. Your core point - that ganking somehow causes people to not play the game - is directly disproven by the literal existence of the game.