So You Want To Be An AG? Here's A Starter Guide :D

[Vokan_Narkar]

@Io_Koval

Why though?

I started posting on forums with this alt for security reasons. I didn’t want anyone from forum to spectate me, see what I am doing (at that time I was bashing mostly abandoned structures in highsec + ganking miners) and abuse that.

Maybe it is paranoid, it seems that most active posters can’t even check killboard even if you give them name of your alt, which is Honzas Krutas, well whole corp is just me myself and all my chars are alpha right now. And neither are gankers harassing carebears who are demanding ganking to be removed from game, so probably needless.

Nevertheless, when I get back this year after almost 3 year break and I did no longer worried about any of this I still decided to use this alt because he is or was known and has a history here on forum (that nobody checks anyway but w/e). So thats it.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Ferdiad_Silver

You mean to say all the posters agreed on this together? Or was there some kind of referendum and the majority rules were implemented? Or perhaps a few people on the forum decided that was how it should be and wouldn’t shut up about how it should be till everyone towed the line? Because that last strategy reminds me of the ‘cancel ganking’ strategy.

Pretty much. It was a sacred rule to post with your main on C&P once upon a time. Because if you’re gonna talk mess, you shouldn’t be afraid of the antimatter coming your way

Sadly we live in shallower times now.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Gix_Firebrand

Pretty much.

But which is it?

[Gix_Firebrand]

They agreed bruv And those who didn’t follow it were disregarded.

Again, we live in shallower times now

[Ferdiad_Silver]

Sounds like you were living in mythical/fairytale times then. A whole forum full of people agreeing with something.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Nope ROFL.

If any older timers are still around, they’ll confirm.

EVE has changed a little sense the beginning. Its the quality of player that has changed the most.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Lucas_Kell

Or you just baselessly claim someone’s an alt and then ignore anything they say. You say “people figure it out” but recent posts have involved a small handful of people claiming quite incorrectly that some people are alt of other people. They do it because they can’t form a coherent counterpoint so trying to find a reason to dismiss the poster is their only option.

Going to go ahead and direct you to the number of times you’ve baselessly claimed I was a ganker to dismiss my points. (I’m not)

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Lucas_Kell

And in every case it would be because you were repeating some nonsense that gankers put forward

Nope I was putting forwards ideas that would improve new player experience that no ganker had put forwards previously.

@Lucas_Kell

I would have actually contested your point at the same time.

You didn’t…

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

And in every case it would be because you were repeating some nonsense that gankers put forward plus I would have actually contested your point at the same time.

Can confirm Ferdlad is not a ganker

[Io_Koval]

@Vokan_Narkar

I started posting on forums with this alt for security reasons.

Gotcha. It seems to be the common reason everyone gives.

@Vokan_Narkar

Maybe it is paranoid

Ha! When I push people to stop posting on their alts and on their mains instead, I get called paranoid for thinking of “Psy ops” instead of “opsec”. I’m a firm believer that “security via obscurity is not security at all”.

Anyway, here’s my obligatory push to “post on your Novus Ordo main” because anyone can claim to be an alt of someone else. But I get the forum history bit: so even if it’s just 1 post to confirm the relationship, that in my mind sheds light to the “transparency/honesty in the community” bit, even if long term you keep posting on Vokan.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

My main is Lucas Kell, I will confirm the relationship.

My guy.

We all know that ain’t true

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Gix_Firebrand

@Lucas_Kell

And in every case it would be because you were repeating some nonsense that gankers put forward plus I would have actually contested your point at the same time.

Can confirm Ferdlad is not a ganker

I in turn would like to confirm that I have zero affiliation with Gix.

Aside from the usual commenting on his posts and discussing things at cross purposes that everyone does with Gix.

@Io_Koval

@Vokan_Narkar

Maybe it is paranoid

Ha! When I push people to stop posting on their alts and on their mains instead, I get called paranoid for thinking of “Psy ops” instead of “opsec”. I’m a firm believer that “security via obscurity is not security at all”.

“Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing next to you, may not be, who they proclaim to be, so take precautions”
Sathington Willoughby

@Githany_Red

@Gix_Firebrand

However, you really do need to develop your AG gank squad. It’s the best way really.

Was chatting about that last night, it’s all ready to gank, so time to act.

Now we are getting into problematic territory because we’ve been informed that AG is pointless and has no recourse but to whore on kill mails. Whereas if ganking is a tool in the AG toolbox then either ganking has less impact than claimed or AG is more of a valid counter play to ganking than previously stated.

Seems like we should throw out the AG and ganking labels and just start calling it high sec pvp as if the anti gankers are ganking, then, even more so than before, you can’t just paint all gankers with the same brush anymore.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Ferdiad_Silver

AG is more of a valid counter play to ganking than previously stated.

Seems like we should throw out the AG and ganking labels and just start calling it high sec pvp as if the anti gankers are ganking, then, even more so than before, you can’t just paint all gankers with the same brush anymore.

It is. The best way to stop the gankers is to gank the gankers.

Takes some doing, hunting other players isn’t easy especially if they are taking countermeasures.

AG/ganking is a very specalized form of PvP. Things are actually weighted more toward AGs for a variety of reasons.

[MacGybo]

@Gix_Firebrand

The best way to stop the gankers is to gank the gankers.

Oh dear. I don’t agree.

The best way to stop the gankers is to educate pilots so they don’t put themselves in a gankable position.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@MacGybo

The best way to stop the gankers is to educate pilots so they don’t put themselves in a gankable position.

At the risk of agreeing with Gix, you are talking at cross purposes. Stopping gankers is not the same as avoiding ganking. One is an activity done by potential prey to limit their risk, the other is an activity done for content by high sec pvp players.

[MacGybo]

I don’t think so.

See, as a ganker, I know that AG doesn’t stop me. It doesn’t work. I keep ganking.

What has stopped me is a recent lack of viable targets. People are learning and that has stopped me from ganking.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@MacGybo

The best way to stop the gankers is to educate pilots so they don’t put themselves in a gankable position.

Well yes, but its also fun to blap people

@Ferdiad_Silver

At the risk of agreeing with Gix

Don’t be afraid to agree

[MacGybo]

@Gix_Firebrand

Well yes, but its also fun to blap people

Tremendous fun

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@MacGybo

I don’t think so.

See, as a ganker, I know that AG doesn’t stop me. It doesn’t work. I keep ganking.

What has stopped me is a recent lack of viable targets. People are learning and that has stopped me from ganking.

Then you are talking on different scales. If I blow up your ship, then I’ve stopped you using that ship for ganking. Not being a mind reader I don’t know if I’ve sent you back to low sec to get another from stock or if it was your last destroyer and you need to go through the rigmarole of restocking.

I have stopped a ganking ship and I have got some content.

Why would my goal be to stop ganking altogether it would be harming my content?

No I’ve blown up the ship, I’ve stopped a potential gank and I’ve filled my RP purpose.

Edit: not actually an AG btw. Just discussing the topic as I’m in a dull meeting.

[Honzas_Krutas]

@Io_Koval

Anyway, here’s my obligatory push to “post on your Novus Ordo main” because anyone can claim to be an alt of someone else. But I get the forum history bit: so even if it’s just 1 post to confirm the relationship, that in my mind sheds light to the “transparency/honesty in the community” bit, even if long term you keep posting on Vokan.

It is really me