If we decided to abandon the founding principles of the channel and start excluding people based on stated occupation, then I would have to call for the removal of Blood Raiders and Sansha, half the current moderators would call for Amarr to be removed, and so on. The channel only functions as a neutral space if it remains completely open to people regardless of background or occupation.
So if someone has access to the necessary communications relays, they have access to the summit. And unless they actually do something that makes them deserve moderation, who they are does not matter.
The moderator tools are right there, and work perfectly.
Your calls would be ignored, as long as they are capsuleer Blood Raiders and Sansha who have something to add to a general conversation. I donât see how deciding on having an intended audience would automatically lead to needless restrictions within that audience. Thatâs a slippery slope argument.
The analogy that operates is less slippery slope than avalanche. I already get criticism for not using my powers as owner of the channel to remove heretics from the forum.
Nobody that I answer to is bothered by non-capsuleers being present. So if I start saying âOh, itâs for everyone⌠except that group!â they are going to ask me why the âexcept that groupâ wasnât the actually problematic people like Sani Sabik or Sansha. And the avalanche starts.
Yet, we have people who claim to be non-capsuleers posting here now. The exact same rules of access apply to being able to post on this forum and being able to post on the live channel.
This board and The Summit are not moderated by the same people, so it will be hard to expect them to be extensions of each other. Especially when there already are another channel managed by the same people as this board. This thread is an suggestion to the moderators of The Summit. What the moderators on this board decides to do is up to them.
Also, people have been on both this forum and on The Summit claiming to be non-capsuleers for pretty much the entire time either has been active. Usually the claims are outlandish things such as âI am an Illegal Artificial Lifeformâ or âI am a Triglavianâ rather than âIâm a boring normal person,â but claiming that either have ever been exclusively capsuleer requires all of those people to have been making â â â â up.
And for all I know, all of those types have been lying, and I have no idea how they gain access to capsuleer communications systems. But I also really donât care enough about them to try and police their claims. If they make a nuisance of themselves, we can moderate them, but we arenât going to preemptively be moderating people based on claimed background.
What does a baselinerâs Summit avatar look like, I wonder. If I didnât have a history on the kill feeds, one might suggest that I was a baseliner. Are you a baseliner? Is Mizhir? If I donât go out of my way looking for evidence, or a person doesnât tell me theyâre not a capsuleer, I would never know.
Thatâs what I mean by âimpossible to enforceâ.
Nobody sane is asking for The Summit to be sanitised of baseliner presence. That is something that is unenforceable, I can only speak on my own account; but those baseliners for whom youâd have to seek out evidence are not the issue. The issue arises when the channel becomes a soap box for baseliner issues, these issues often framed in a manner either to assert moral superiority over or dehumanise capsuleers.
We are all painfully aware not only of what the worst of us become, but the difficulties faced by the rest of us in retaining a perspective that our past selves would recognise in a life often absent meaningful consequence.
There are some baseliners from whom I take counsel, others from whom I take orders. I frequent The Summit for neither of these things, but to converse in a setting where I feel comfortable neither to mitigate or conceal the baggage that comes with being what I now am. I remain singularly confident that I am not alone in that.
Even if I were proposing that the Summit should be restricted entirely to capsuleer access only, which Iâm empathically not â that someone might break rules, or even break them undetected, isnât itself an argument against having them.
Maybe you capsuleers should just try to accept things as they are and do not forcefully shape things until they fit your wishes one time⌠Iâm really mad about this topic! How can you be so self centered that every little thing that doesnât fit in your view of the world needs to be removed or destroyed? -.-â
Have you ever thought about other people?
If I didnât find access to the summit, my whole organisation would not exist and I would probably still fly shuttles or a small mining Reaper.
Maybe you should just accept that every place isnât meant to cater to you and your needs. There are plenty of other opportunities to engage with capsuleers. But sometimes we need places we can converse with peers.
Yes. Plenty of times.
Congratulations. You have been lucky to gain a priviledge that countless of others will never achieve. If you should get access to the Summit and benefit from it, why shouldnât everyone also?
Make no mistake to be a capsuleer is not pitiable, it is fortunate not to need the acceptance of mankind at large, because itâs not something we will ever see.
I and most others fully accept baseliners, those who share my opinion are not lacking in acceptance, we are asking to be afforded a space where we ourselves are accepted⌠at least on that one issue.
They care about you only slightly more than they care about their crew losses. And thatâs just because you got into their channels and are now more than a string of numbers: an annoyance theyâd like to remove.
Theyâre a âclassâ, you see. And why they are a âclassâ? because your government (yup, yours too, RSS grabbed me from an orphanage in Hek at 16 just because I tested positive) removed all consequences from them and showered them in money. But if thereâs a class of people who can do anything, like mass murder and expect nothing worse than a mild fine for that, thereâs a revolution.
Or sometimes even the Rebellion
Maybe this whole thread is a hint that itâs time to stop making fan clubs and start sabotaging clone bays?
I donât think sabotaging anything is the right way to improve. I think it needs honesty and emotional connection
We need capsuleers to face some threats like the Triglavian and Sansha invasions. Without their experience and âmagical manpowerâ Concord and our militia wouldnât stand a chance.
But on the other hand they donât need us in any way and this leads them to treating humans like ânumbersâ. In my opinion itâs really important for humanity, that capsuleers and âbaselinersâ work together and form a meaningful balanced relationship. If the capsuleers fail us completely and turn against us, we are all lost.
Thatâs why this topic is making me so angry, hope you understand.
