If you follow through with your “logic”, anything in a game has to be considered “a waste of time”. So you will come either to the solution that CCP should introduce a clickable button called “add money to my wallet” or button “let me win the game”.
Your point is not to play the game to play the game. Which is absurd.
I even gave you solutions and workarounds to your perceived “problems”. The main part of EVE is to realize your goals and profit in the face of very adversarial circumstances. Be that pirates, market manipulations, “bad weather” when a roaming fleet or an incursion visits, or CCP nerving stuff, which is by far the greatest influence.
As an industrialist you will experience CCP nerving all it can out of your playstyle, so that it becomes unprofitable. Every 1,5-2 years you have to reinvent yourself completely as your preferred ships and equipment will be changed while you are sitting in them. Possibly rendering how you did things up until then impossible in the future.
I have had countless times to change barge types and reinvent their fittings, then the fleetboost mechanics got changed, then the orca got changed, then refining got changed, blueprints already in your possession get constantly changed. It is all in a constant flow, requiring you to stay wise and be ready to adapt your ways of doing things to reach your goal.
So if something you do leads to a bad outcome, think up ways to do it different.
This is completely ignorant. You have players that go to hi sec to take a break, for various reasons, only to find it was safer in null sec, but don’t have the time to commit to it properly. You also have returning and new players who need that space to get their feet wet. So yes Eve does loose players to this. You are completely ignorant if you think otherwise… and the whole “oh Eve is fine, not loosing numbers” BS is ignorant as well. All Eve has done is lost players… replacing a portion of that with multi box subs. So if you are happy with a game that entices burn out with all that is left but egotistical multi boxers, and ignorant players that can’t look beyond the time they have put into the game and not wanting to acknowledge things have gone to crap because that would mean you are admitting the time you have put into the game is lost…
Seriously, there is no response you can give to this that doesn’t prove my point. Either you can acknowledge it, or refute it falling into the later category. I know because I’ve been a die hard defender of the game, so be the ignorant forum warrior if you choose, but know that at some point the game will start tanking and you will be thinking back to this post and wondering… maybe I could have been part of something to save the game, to catch it at the pass before it goes down a road that it can not come back from. (It’s the only reason I really post here)
So good luck on your “Eve is not dying”
Something else to consider… why has there been various branches out to make new versions of Eve… because they know it’s holding together with strands of duct tape. I’m not absolutely sure, but I think they are thinking Eve Frontier will be it’s replacement. From the little I’ve read it seems there is no system security… at least their advertisements infer this. But there is definitely a drive for a replacement. … but you know… Eve isn’t dying… not at all.
I mostly agree with this… but somethings have gone a bit far and has thrown bigger mechanics out of whack and should be reversed.
And as far as the easy button, it already exists by 1 of 2 ways.
1 Buy plex and skills with real money.
2 Buy them by successfully making in game isk with multiboxing and buying the skills and money from those that buy them with real money to get isk.
From a player that played at the beginning I would say this completely ruins the game. BUT as the game is as old as it is, it was necessary to provide something to entice new players, the main issue is the floodgate was opened, where only a stream was needed.
You didn’t get my logic. I’m not trying to avoid objective game difficulties, I’m trying to eliminate game absurdities and shortcomings. Highsec was meant to be a safe place, so it needs to be made that way. Suicide tactics in highsec are a legalized way to bypass game mechanics. Jita was not intended to be the only game hub. It was assumed that each faction would have such a hub. The current attempts of the developers indicate that they are trying to fix the situation. I am talking about real confrontation between factions. Now the Amarrians and other races just go to Jita and register there. Since there is no worthy alternative to this trade hub. In short, don’t attribute someone else’s logic to me. I’ve always liked hardcore games. I’m just against game absurdities and non-game factors that make the game noticeably worse. If you want me to come up with more hardcore in the game? I’ll think about it.
Except it wasn’t. Step 2 or 3 of the new tutorial is how you lose a ship in highsec. Maybe you didn’t pay attention or you haven’t done it yet. If so, please repeat the tutorial.
Except it wasn’t. There were not “game hubs” (i guess you meant “trade”) intended by CCP. Trade hubs were introduced and forged by the players. They started to concentrate in Jita, because of geographic purposes.
This is almost heading in the correct way. No one needs hardcore, but you need more thinking.
I told you not to go to Jita, if you can’t handle it. But it seems you have to anyway, because saving a few isk seems to be mandatory to you.
Well then the next option i can think of then is to not enter in a vulnerable ship and don’t enter in a high value target. Enter in a highly armored ship, buy one or two highly priced items at a time, fly them out one or two jumps and fit your target ship there if thats the goal. Problem fixed again.
Highsec is no “beginner” area if that is your possible misconception. Beginner area are the designated starter systems. In those systems, you would even have the protection you are whining for:
How exactly is it safer in Null sec? I’ve always had the exact opposite experience. I mean… if you’re in a fleet of 600 like I was the last time I went to Null, then yes- you’re 100% safe in Null, but solo or in a small group- how is Null safer?
I’ll head down to Null if someone can tell me how to enjoy all of those riches with zero rISK.
High Sec is very near 100% safe if you take precautions and watch what you’re doing. I only lose a ship if I do something stupid, but that’s how it is in any game worth playing. High Sec in Eve Online is one of the safest games I’ve ever played.
I went through the tutorial, but it didn’t say anything about other players’ suicide tactics. You’re exaggerating. It never occurred to the developers that players could sacrifice their ship for profit. In 2011, such tactics were still relatively new and everyone was talking about them. As for the fact that the developers did not plan any trade hubs at all, I tend to agree. Yes, I think that was exactly the case. However, the developers did not plan for one faction to have an advantage over others. And the presence of such a hub for the Caldari is an undeniable advantage. Therefore, in the game, this faction has the most representatives. Yes, because of the missiles, but also because of the Jita.
You have infinite clones. It doesn’t matter how your ship explodes, you have infinite clones. The tutorial tells you that you can accomplish your goal even if your ship gets blown up. Thus, you can blow up an expensive ship for profit even if it means you and your friends will lose your cheap ships in the process.
Don’t you remember attacking that battlecruiser in the tutorial in order for the transport ship to escape with the rescued civilians? Same thing. You get to keep flying because you have clones. This is how Eve works.
I’m afraid the translator played a cruel joke on me. I wanted to write that highsec was intended by the developers to be a safe place. And now I see that he translates it as “should become a safe place”. Which means - I can’t handle Jita. You completely underestimate me. I’ve only lost noobship and Algos there in my entire time playing. And I’ve been playing since 2011, albeit with a long break. Don’t tell me about a newbie, you have absolutely no idea who you’re talking to. I’m a newbie only because I’ve been out of the game for a very long time.
High Security doesn’t mean “high safety” It means it has CONCORD to punish those who break the rules.. it means NOTHING about being safe from consequences.
I’ve flown very expensive ships worth billions of ISK. But I “prayed” every time not to lose them because of lags. I don’t lose ships, I’m outraged by the very possibility of losing them.
ok so that confirms that there is a section of the forums that you can understand… so translation issues don’t keep messing up what you are trying to say, post there.
Calm down, the number of posts in this thread proves that I can convey my thoughts normally. There were a couple of cases when I saw the translator producing nonsense. But this is insignificant.
No suicide was intended by the developers. As an experienced player and member of CCP, you should know this. I think they were very surprised when they first saw it.
Watch some Markeedragon YT vids. That Guy is a Pro Eve-Online Gamer. You can learn a thing or two when He losses a ship. P/L and R/W is part of the Game. P/L means Profit/Loss and R/W is Risk vs. Reward. I have no problem losing a ship if I already earned few times it’s worth. 400k isks worth Venture+ Module can earn 1.5 mill in a newbie system an hour/3 times its worth mining only veldspar. Many of Us already figured out how to adapt in this Game.
Thanks, maybe I’ll watch it. In fact, I’ve watched a lot of videos like this. As a rule, such players have almost unlimited financial resources. When they are going to serious pvp, they equip even the cheapest ship with the best modules that can be bought. And they buy 10 sets of such ships at once. My problem is that I don’t have much time to play, and most importantly, I don’t really want to play. That is, by convincing others, I convinced myself, first of all. This is the law of psychology