Some people will think that I am trying to fix people. That they cannot be fixed. Nothing of the sort. These people behave absolutely normally in life. But in the game, for some reason, they think that they are allowed to do anything. This seems logical, because the laws of society do not work in the game. Legal laws do not work, but ethical laws do. Dostoevsky said: If there is no God, then everything is permitted. I answer you - if there is no God, then nothing is permitted. Because your behavior is regulated by your own ethical standards. Including in games. If you do not comply with your own standards, then you are an immoral person
You can choose any ethical standards you want. But you canāt change them. These are the rules of the game. Once you choose, you apply them everywhere.
I thank you for the - in parts - good conversation. But this is now really getting on my nerves. No one except CCP has a right to tell me how to behave in a video game and they even advertise all the things you do not want as a viable career.
Piracy, Espionage, Ganking, Betrayal, Theft, ā¦all is advertised in many trailersā¦
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Iāll tell you more. CCP has no right to tell you how to behave either. Especially if their instructions contradict your moral principles. You answer only to yourself. Once you choose, you follow them. If you violate them, then you have no morals. You are a moral relativist.
People will behave a certain way. It cannot be helped. They are slaves to their genetics. No amount of education can fix them. It is sad but it is reality. Create a million tutorials. A trillion incentives. No amount of chirping about a better way can fix them. They are as they are and they will behave in the way they do.
Highsec will never be what it should be because of them.
There are a dozen or so ganking corps that use Catalysts around Jita. They hit more in Uedema
While they generally target profitable targets, they also gank empty ships, and they gank cheap shipsā¦ sometimes just because. While they may actually be 20 ish actual players in a given gank squad, they multibox a good 50 or so Catalysts. They get concorded, and fly back to their deployable base using their capsules, pick up a fresh destroyer and are ready to go a few minutes later. Rinse, repeat. And that is not even taking into consideration the solo tornado gankers you see sitting outside of Jita 4-4 ā¦ I usually see 2-3 of them at any given time. AND then you can look at all the haulers that are from those same ganking corps that are parked outside of the station as well. So for those that have safe travelsā¦ it only takes that one time, and then you to actually take a look around and see how unsafe it really is. And to be fair they donāt ALWAYS use Catalystsā¦ the Minmatar destroyer is also commonly used.
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Eve is as fair as it is going to get. It meant to be a brutal take all game. That is my opinion. Whether I am playing the market, exploring, ect. Outside of my corp mates I trust no one very far. Even some of those that I have a regular interaction either here or in the game.
I am in Uni by the way, which it is as fair as it gets. To be perfectly honest. Where new and returning players can learn in as safe and fun an environment as you are going to get here in Eve.
Yeah, I am not fond of suicide gankers myself. Punching down has never been something that I have ever cared for either in a game or IRL. But in EVE it allows it and is part of the ecosystem. And I know that I have sold more than one catalyst to players that I suspected were suicide gankers.
Just how many catalysts can one person lose in the span of three days? Plus buying a sh*t ton of ammo. More than any one player should be needing in the course of normal game play. But hey it is EVE and I made some good ISK. So it is all good.
See how far it got now? Paul Keres now even attracts ruthless arms dealers to this thread. Iām sure these are to be the lowest of the low in terms of morality.
I canāt even imagine the horrors such an immoral EVE Online arms dealer must be doing in real life. And the gankers themselves? They surely must be eating kittens for breakfast in the real world.
This reminds me of an earlier Paul Keres a few years ago who actually demanded a real life lawsuit and compensation for the loss of his property by a ganking, the loss of time to reaccumulate it and the emotional damage done to him as a person. Some people surely are very strange and they mean it.
Never gonna happen. If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone underprepared. Nah people bring the ship that can do the most damage even if its against a miner
I can easily prove to you that people are not slaves of their genetics, but slaves of their upbringing. Remember the cases when children were raised by wild animals. These children then behaved exactly like these animals. They forgot that they were people, and no genetics helped them remember.
This will happen if you introduce fair play rules. Itās very simple, thereās nothing new about it.
You donāt understand a simple thing. They donāt act like that in life. They just have double standards, they are immoral. I donāt judge them, Iām not stupid enough to demand lawsuits, Iām just stating a fact.
And you donāt understand that a cruel game is not the same as an unfair game. You keep talking about game difficulties.
Added to this you demanded above:
You realize how you now have contradicted yourself?
You demanded equality between standards in real life and behavior in a game. An absurdity which i tried to make you think about when it is reversed and which you didnāt get, since some people then are very validly playing the game according to your thought up rules of āmoralā definition and you canāt have anything against them:
The Somali pirate ganking you is following his standards ingame as well as out of game and complies with his own standards. A very moral person according to you. No double standards.
The Eastern European arms dealer, dealing arms to gankers, because they need a high volume of stuff is following his standards ingame as well as out of game and complies with his own standards. A very moral person according to you. No double standards.
Great post. You are starting to get to the heart of the matter. Imagine that, yes. A Somali pirate who plays EVE is a moral person in his own way. I will tell you even more. A serial killer may have his own morality, which is caused by his illness. He can be accused of anything, but not of immorality, since he is consistent in his principles. This is one of the paradoxes of ethics.
Your moral principles are inside your head. They do not depend on where you are. In the game, on the Internet, in real life. You apply them everywhere equally. If you have taken the principle of not offending the defenseless, then you will not offend such a player in the game.
If you offend people in real life, then I have no questions for you about morality. You do not have double standards, you act in accordance with your morality.
So it could be that you got shot down by a moral person matching your definition and everything is fine and your complaining could be wrong?
Problem is, you will never know. No one has the obligation to talk to you to verify their background so that you can sleep well at night. But please try and open a conversation with the one who shot you down to evaluate his/her morality compass. It might turn out that as a real life pirate he or she had every right to shoot at you and that this thread was opened is based on a complete misunderstanding on your side.
Thatās right, he may be a moral person. But thatās extremely rare, because people tend to be morally relativistic, both in life and in the game. Most people are opportunists and compromisers. However, I am sure that in life you do nothing like this. Therefore, you cannot know how much harm you have caused to a person with your actions in the game. And therefore, the most moral thing for you would be to refrain from such actions.
Finally we have come full circle on where you ask from otherwise moral people (according to your defintion) to exercise double standards if you are the target.
Please refrain from now on to try to lead valid moral pirates onto the path of immorality and double standards. Case closed.