I half wonder… if some of these posts are trolls… especially being it’s the first post.
Anyway … a few points after quite a while of thought, and from responses I’ve read that actually discussed it.
Hi Sec security… in general.
-Should it be safe… to an extent. More so than it is, but there should still be an opportunity against those that afk travel and make themselves a target, harmless or otherwise.
-Perhaps a 24 hour window to use stargates and undock from ANYTHING in hi sec after ganking. Can still clone jump to Lo Sec and below. This would of course remove off the cuff suicide ganks, as they will make sure the target is nice an juicy and worth their time. Entry to Hi Sec by wormhole is still an option.
-War Dec… should be available against every player corp. There are already loop holes, holding corps, NPC corps ect. If a corp wants to avoid war, they just need a place holder ceo and can easily do so. The place holder ceo or another alt can handle in indy jobs that are ongoing and trade parts without leaving a station. Why this was ever removed makes absolutely no sense to me. Hiring mercs to take out competing indy corps is as much a part of Eve as breathing air. (And hiring them to defend as well.)
Please note the RPG in MMORPG. EVE is an MMORPG sandbox game. You can do whatever you please as long as it is not against the EULA and as long as you do not violate other laws. Like make real life threats and insults.
My 1st week in Eve-Online. A battle Venture with suspect timer baited me into pvp in a Newbie Training space in-front of the academy station. I lost my Incursus. Protecting the newbie is an illusion. Let the newbie figure it out through bittersweet experience.
I have a question for you too. I want to understand your motivation, just as you wanted to understand mine. Let’s say, that the game no longer allows you to attack defenseless ships in highsec for profit. You can’t call it PvP, since the attackers get a rebuff in extremely rare cases. What will change in the game for you personally? Do you have a business, related to these attacks? Do you need victims, with whom you want to satisfy your ambitions? If you are giving me advice on the game, then let me give you advice too. Why don’t you look for opponents, who are equal in strength to you? After all, it is more honorable. Or is it the defenseless victim that excites you? As for the game economy, nothing will happen to it. Players’ income will not change, since PvP in highsec has little effect on anything. And there are mechanisms for regulating the economy. For example, make some items destructible and non-repairable. Or requiring expensive repairs.
I am an industrialist…
all the cats, talos, coercers, porpoise, orca, mining barges, and all the gear to fit them that i build or get from running missions… my income from that…would all go away, and i would not be the only one taht would happen to.
Mining would become useless in HS, as would mission running…
It would not take too long just as what happenedin EvE Echos for the market to tank…and then all these ppl that multibox and gank, mine, do industry, all the HS space truckers would just start going away…
Soon after the market traders would just stop playing as well…
If you are too stupid to understand this…
Then i repeat, go play a different game and stop trying to destroy this one and put CCP out of a job.
The game economy requires that ships are destroyed.
If illegal attacks are no longer mechanically possible in HS this means that nobody will lose freighters, barges, Orcas or Marauders again in HS.
It means industrialists who make new ships like freighters will largely be out of a job.
It means that haulers can haul AFK on autopilot with cargo expander fits with zero risk, which brings the costs of shipping items down to prices nobody but an AFK multiboxer is willing to take, which pushes honest haulers out of the market.
It means that anyone who mines ore you can find in HS can no longer profitably do so as the market is saturated with ores from AFK multibox miners who have max yield fits, because again survivability and paying attention has become irrelevant.
It means people can be dicks and nobody can ever do something about it because their ships are invulnerable through game mechanics.
It means that rich people can safely fly ridiculously overpowered AT ships with full purple fit to run basic missions with no risks and harass you by always dealing more damage to the boss during events than you can do, and there is nothing EVE players can do to stop that.
It goes completely against the spirit of EVE to have invulnerable ships. Ship balance, the economy, interactions… it all assumes all ships can be destroyed if you really wanted.
No ship in EVE is invulnerable. Every ship can be destroyed.
Your suggestion changes that.
Your suggestion messes up EVE in ways you apparently cannot even imagine in your naivity. Alternatively you know exactly what you are asking for and are making this suggestion with malicious intent because you intend to be the one to abuse AFK cargo-expanded haulers or purple AT ships to mess with others, and want to do do with zero risk.
Look. I am highsec ganker in game. But that does not make me bad person, a psychopath or whatever some gank hates sometimes call me when I kill them.
Yes, there are some gankers who gank to grief peoples and they are trying to mine their salt. I don’t like it, I don’t do it, but it is not neccessarily wrong, it is just video game.
For me, I am just killing expensive ships for the sake of it. And highsec is place where most players are concentrated so it is the best hunting ground. For others ganking is a business. They sacrifice X milion ISK to gain X milion iISK more. Simple as that. There are no emotions or morals in this. There is no difference whether you kill someone in high, low, null or pochven/wh. You are just unable to understand that. This game is free for all in all types of space, there is no safe space and peoples who are shooting others in high security space are not psychopats or whatever. They just play the game as was designed by developers.
And if you ask me personally, I do have morals. I would never betray comrades, spy other corporations to steal/betray them even if they are enemies of my main and I would never break my word given to anyone for example to a miner who I caught in lowsec. (Which last time I did that resulted in that miner spamming local chat about what a scumbag and bad player I am so I don’t think I will offer the same option to next guy).
On the contrary. Peoples who I gank often swear at me. Racial slurs, homophobic, kill threats, death and cancer wishes of my whole family. That is all very common from players like you. And THAT is definitely not alright.
Your income will not disappear, you are mistaken. You forgot to mention, that ships are made not only from veldspar. Please tell me, what part of the cost of the ship is made up of materials, mined in highsec? That is, I would risk saying, that your income, if it changes, will change very slightly. This can be compensated by the fact, that some parts of the ship will deteriorate over time, as is implemented in other games. As for the advice to leave the game, don’t waste your time, I’ve heard such advice not only from you. Such advice only shows the weakness of your argumentation. What you can’t handle, should disappear. It’s like a child, trying to hide under a blanket from problems.
You’re repeating yourself. Don’t tie ship destruction to suicide attacks in highsec. Players can lose ships for other reasons, and for the same reasons in more dangerous places. The economy requires players to go beyond highsec. The logistics business will be hampered, but not completely destroyed, since cargo will need to be transported through dangerous sectors. That’s where the chance of losing a ship is highest.
Are you annoyed by players on expensive ships? Let them fly, what do you care? The beauty of events is that they repeat themselves many times. The boss appears again and again. The most serious events take place in dangerous sectors. Flying on autopilot for too long is already enough punishment for the lazy. Multiboxing is an evil that I suggest removing from the game. As for mining, it will not change. Lazy and peaceful players will continue to mine. Losing a few ships does not change anything in this business.
They changed something that broke the game… then they made changes upon that, that made it worse. Just reverse the whole mess so Merc corps became a valid income in hi sec again.
Omega and Friends and SRS are entrenched with Frat a nullsec bloc, Blackflag are entrenched with Omega and Friends.
They dont (Nullsec being the CSM) dont want to change the new status quo.
In my opinion war decs dont need to change, just add Starbase Charters to PoCO’s and upwells at a minimum of 180 per hour consumption…that should be enough to shake it up in HS.
Oh my god, what pure nonsense! Reasonable arguments have no effect on the likes of you. The barges will be lost mostly in lowsec and nullsec. I have no interest in talking to a person who displays such weak cognitive abilities. Please spare me your remarks and your presence here. I will not answer you anymore.
Mercs have always been in lo/null. The ones in hi sec have just transitioned more to ganking. Changes to war dec did nothing but make it more single player which you speak out against, this would only make it easier to make isk. Hi sec indy corps finding out who their competitors are and hiring a merc corp to create a window of time to better position themselves in the market is a key component of playing Eve. There is no solid reasoning it should have ever been removed. Either they go all out and make it Safe or put it back the way it was. The hypocrisy runs on both side of … risk vs reward the way it is now. Or is it because you are worried about having to deal with a war dec? Make Eve… Eve again.
How many people lose freighters outside HS though? While freighters do die outside HS, about half of them are destroyed within HS.
Making those ships invulnerable is a terrible change for freighter builders.
I love to see players fly expensive ships, it shows they have courage to fpy an AT ship for it’s bonuses, even if it puts a massive target on their backs.
The people flying those ships create a lot of fun and content by raising the stakes.
… however if they can do so while their ship is invulnerable to PvP it completely defeats the purpose of EVE. It becomes instead a way to show the size of your wallet to annoy others and no one can do anything to those ships.
Sometimes I troll Gankers in this forum but doesn’t mean I don’t respect them. It’s just part of My in-game identity. But still I’m a solo player, all Players are neutral for me except My alts. There are times One my alt donated catalyst to the Gankers and Anti Gankers, I once donated few isks to the Papi alliance when they are at war against the imperium because just I want The Mittani to be kick out from Delve.. I don’t consider my self as one of good Guys in new Eden. My game style was inspired by the Joker Character and by Thanos philosophy. My Points is, The Real Evils and Merciless in new Eden are not always the ones who shoot others ships.