I’d respond to this further, but Makoto has undertaken that burden for me. When you can demonstrably prove that I have done wrong to Mika above and beyond the fashion in which both she and Diana Kim have wronged others, then I’ll apologise. Your and her opinion of what constitutes trolling, ranting and doing wrong to others is remarkably one sided and biased.
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I am not going to prove you anything, since it’s not my life, I owe you nothing. Do your own homework yourself.
I can only say, I’ve never seen Mika wronging anyone so far. I’ve seen you did. That’s all, and there are no “biases” or anything like that, only impartial observation.
I’m sorry but you are not impartial. That is a lie.
And this response is exactly in line with that offered by both Mika and Diana whenever challenged. You are allowed to fling whatever accusations you choose and the burden of proof must always be on someone else.
I’ll reiterate my above point. If you wish to post on a public forum about criticism, then you should, yourself, be able to accept criticism. Not demand that people stop talking to you if they do criticise you and then cry that they should leave you alone. I was not rude, I did not insult her.
She suffers from the same complex as her erstwhile employer, in that any criticism is immediately rejected and labelled as trolling. Disagreeing with someone is not trolling. If you can only flourish in a world where everyone agrees with you, what in God’s name are you doing on a public forum?
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Can’t we all just get along? Start with a clean slate?
I mean, at one point I remember being called Kim’s sockpuppet. That was an odd time for me, well before I assimi~ Oooh, I mean, made an hostile takeov~ Argh, what I mean is back when I did a personality shift on myself in order to be more polite and agreeable!
Can you honestly stop taking a jab at each other at every chance you get?
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I am perfectly willing to treat people with the politeness and respect I feel they deserve.
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Fee-fees are not a proper unit of measuring a person’s worth of politeness!
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You say that but it’s been demonstrated in this forum that people attach all sorts of arbitrary constraints to the respect and politeness they offer one another, whether it be birth, corporation or partaking in ritual duelling.
Assessing people and deciding whether or not I wish to accord them respect seems at least as valid as everyone else’s methods.
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Well sure. But on the flip side, I get along with Miss Kim despite me being the absolute bane of her way of life, a publicly known criminal and working for her enemies.
We’re all capsuleers at the end of the day. We’re all monsters and abominations. No reason for us not to get along!
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I’d get along with her a lot better if she didn’t throw a tantrum any time I disagreed with her. I’m not about to open myself to being stabbed to change her opinion of me either.
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Don’t disagree with her then! Can’t you just have a nice conversation about the space weather?
I mean, do you have anything to gain from proving her wrong? Is anything she says or the way she thinks that disagrees with you on such an absolute level that it must be corrected?
Seriously, she is a Tibus Heth supporter, a fervently patriot Caldari State soldier and very conservative. Is there any part of that description that goes against the grain of her worldviews? And does it surprise you that she is so adamantly defensive of said wordviews after everyone and their mother, including the people that should take her side, try so hard to dismantle her worldviews?
And what does this have to with Miss Mika and Miss Hanaya, despite baseless rumors that they are “somehow” infomorph copies of Miss Kim working in her interests despite there being no evidence and all of them being at some point or another all in the same room at the same time?
And note I’m not saying you should like Miss Kim. I like her a lot in many different ways but that’s my prerogative!
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You’re overlooking the fact that she can, will, and has taken exception to things people have posted in the past and, rather than have a civil discussion she will brand people a troll if they don’t immediately agree with her. I don’t believe in blindly agreeing with people just to keep the peace.
You’re the one who brought her up, not me.
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Maybe I am not impartial completely and on every topic, but I try to be as impartial as possible. And I agree that disagreeing is not trolling.
But pestering people when they said they don’t want to talk with you - is.
Spreading false information about people - it is trolling too.
Talking offensive “opinions” about people who are reading them - it is trolling too.
Neither of these things can’t and shouldn’t be considered as “disagreeing”.
Thing about trolling is offending people on purpose without directly insulting them.
Oh right, you’re right Miss Ember, that was Miss Makoto saying those things (I think). I might have mixed up the faces of this whole debacle. I’m sorry…
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Look.
First thing’s first, disagreeing her and proving her wrong is not an act done for her benefit, but for other people’s benefit. If she believes that Tibus Heth is the great hero of the Caldari and is not currently declared a war criminal by the CEP, fine, but it won’t do for her to go around spreading disinformation around to other people, especially people who for some reason are still ignorant of the news, and get them to believe it as well.
We are already way past the point of trying to change her mind about anything, especially considering what she’s like.
Second, anytime one of them is seen in space, they almost exclusively appear in the same local as the other. And I mean bloody every time. So no, ‘baseless rumours’ is not quite baseless in this case.
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Please provide evidence
Private communications would be pestering. Replying to a public post on a public forum, not so much. Yes, she did ask me not to reply but again it is a public forum and she gave me no good reason beyond not wishing to take criticism…which would be out of line with the spirit of her original post, surely?
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So she has allies. That doesn’t prove anything!
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When this happens often and consistently enough to become a trend on a graph, then it’s a good enough reason to raise the eyebrow.
Surely you understand that, considering that you are supposedly a scientist.
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Never you mind that I know these people.
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What I do know is that it is polite to not call people “alts” as leverage for insults and depreciation in open platforms when in day to day conversation you can collect empirical data that proves that each one of them is a distinct person with distinct personality.
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Trolling - means being a prick on Galnet. It is the “art” of deliberately pissing people off using dialogue. It doesn’t mean necessary being rude.
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Spreading false information about people annoys them greatly.
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If you speak opinion about a person who reads that, and if that opinion is anything but positive - that pisses anyone off, disregarding how much does this opinion corresponds to reality or not.
Point proven.
I think everyone will agree that whatever you was writing after your first post was not criticism anymore, you have offended Mika, you have offended Diana and even brought me to this discussion.
I think even in this board when you joined for the first time was a note to criticize people’s opinion, but not persons. Have you read that? How many more people need to tell you that?