The consequences of 'Trig space'?

Based on the round table at Fanfest, CCP were quite aware of the risks of all tiers being accessible in all regions of space, without limit.

So will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I don’t expect they will go with the suspect timer in highsec approach and will settle for limiting which tiers can be activated where.

Whichever way they go, no one will be locked out from content.

Filaments being usable anywhere is good, however there is something that is stopping me and not just me from runnign stuff in NS. Basically, on average and in general, the entire NS cesspool and all the ■■■■ in it is what is stopping us from doing anything there.

So your statement is extremely false.

There’s plenty of NPC nullsec that has no cesspool quality to it at all.

That’s a player choice (yours, in this case).

However if you wouldnt be able to run them wherever, you would be forced into running them in NS, against your preference.

Thats what Player NS entitites want for the reasons I listed above, and must not be allowed to happen.

Wrong. Nullsec trying to monopolize the trig stuff will not work. Essentially the pockets are safer to run PvP-wise than almost any other outdoor activity in EvE, so plenty of smart non-nullseccers will break any monopoly.

Any limitation, restriction, and PvP-risk is good, as it keeps value to the sites.

Maybe it will work without a sandbox risk element because the demand for mutator thingies will be unlimited.

The worst CCP can do is introducing an RNG based risk element you can’t mitigate into the sites itself. If you have to factor in unavoidable ship losses, you can go in only cheap, and no casual player will touch it, as you have to then run a lot of sites to eventually come out positive in average.

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If we can activate the filament for its full content wherever we want, then he gets to choose where to do so.

¯\__(ツ)_/¯ CCP will do as CCP does.

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It will lead directly to NS monopoly, if the higher tier Trig pockets can only be accessed there.

That is a fact.

Thats where the BPs, largest amount of plasmutids, and even more worrisomely j-space loot will be.

If you cant run them except in NS, then NS has the monopoly, defacto.

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This is exploration content aimed at solo play inside the pocket. On that basis they need to be accessible from anywhere, since if high level trig sites can only be run in NS/WH you are effectively forcing that solo gameplay to exist inside a larger group. To say ‘We are introducing solo sites’ but then making it so they must be run in large group controlled space defeats the object.

Running the high level sites in Null and/or WH will already be intrinsically safer for the pilot due to being in controlled space. This doesn’t need to be forced by locking levels to sec level (which is utterly meaningless to these folds in space). This can be an incentive to pilots to join larger groups, and fun for those that don’t want to thorugh the greater risk involved.

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Ofc.

But CCP should not make the content tiers NS exclusive.

That would break Malcani’s Law in many ways that I listed above.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Malcanis’ Law - which relates to content designed specifically for new players.

This isn’t content specifically for new players.

However, whatever CCP’s decision, there will be an option for Fluffy Moe if he wants to access any tiers that CCP decide to limit to nullsec (if they do that in the end). NPC nullsec is an option, without the political layer associated with the rest of null.

Player NS want the top tiers to be exclusive to their space.

They are drooling and lobbying hard at the idea of:

  1. Forcing everyone to run them only in their own space, or sell them the filaments.

  2. Applying sourced plasmutids to the T2 mats/modules and best deadspace modules they source locally to create “super modules”.

  3. To monopolize the Trig Ship BP market (from the top tier Trig pockets).

  4. The potential J-space exclusive loot/salvage from the Drifters/Sleepers in the pockets, which otherwise they cant source from Player NS.


This must not be allowed to happen.

The solution, is simple.

Allow all tiers of the pockets to be run anywhere in EVE.

Let players decide where they run them.


This isnt tinfoil hattery.

The list above is what WILL happen if the top tier Trig pockets are made NS exclusive, rather than runnable wherever you want at your own risk.

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This doesn’t really make much sense from what we currently know from CCP:

  1. no refitting
  2. 3 rooms connected by the gates and then back out through the entry point
  3. short duration, solo play
  4. main loot in the last room

People aren’t going to be salvage fit, nor are they going to hang around in each room to salvage even if they could refit.

We don’t know how many rats are going to be in each room yet, nor how much time will even be available to loot in the first 2 rooms without risking losing the loot from the boss spawn if the pocket collapses.

This is hardly going to impact sleeper loot. Wormhole space will maintain a huge advantage for that.

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I hope so.

Imo, there should be no sleeper loot/salvage at all in the Trig pockets.


Sleeper loot/salvage from Trig pockets will harm WH sourced markets, and devalue WH efforts. That is not justified.

I agree it should be nothing that can transfer directly to isk without player interaction.

The reward should be almost exclusively plasmutids and Trig BPs.

Anything else will cause damaging chaos in the EVE inter-sector economy,

J-Space loot is out of the question, as are minerals or isk bounties that compare anywhere near similar existing PvE content.

Last thing we need is these Trig pockets become a way to farm J-space loot/salvage, or raw isk as bounties.

LP is a possibility, depending on what you can buy with it, and at what rate.


In anycase, everything depends on these Trig pockets being accessible everywhere, for the full content.

Its your filament, you create the pocket, do it wherever you want, at your own risk.
They should NOT be sector exclusive.

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They are not…
They’re like any other probeable anom out there

As for the rich getting richer off these, what did you expect? The poor are poor for a reason :joy:

Let players decide where they activate their filament, regardless of sector.

Its their filament. Let them use it wherever they want.

Did you even bother reading before spewing your copypasta?

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Let them place it wherever they want.
Its their filament and their risk.