So 160 wardecs worth of defense and “make them suffer” contracts?
He already said the defense contracts are only a handful of the total.
Are those “make them suffer” contracts then the ones that are causing players to log off, and never return?
Sure I think that’s an accurate description. I think that outside structure timers the risk is identical on both sides considering both sides have equal footing on game mechanics. Imbalance will come into play where players decide to do so.
Is a small group of players negatively impacting a larger group a bad thing? I have personally been apart of and seen a very small group take sov from a much much larger group. There are plenty of instances where a smaller group of players are impacting the gameplay of a larger group. The important thing to remember here is effort, knowledge, and skill which are important if a smaller group is going to take on larger groups.
The reason there’s all this blurfing about few player impacting many is that in a lot of cases it’s not something that the larger group can just throw numbers at to fix the problem. N+1 has been the solution to just about anything, so when there’s challenge that doesn’t easily fold to N+1 it becomes a pain for them.
Do you think a small group of players impacting many is a bad thing? Why is it that a larger group of players can’t go blow for blow against a war dec group and come out feeling like they pushed their ■■■■ in? Why do players of all different areas of space expect relative safety in highsec?
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Another good point to my previous post that I forgot to mention is that since newer players and smaller groups aren’t improportionally being killed or targeted that they are likely able to operate as normal given they act with a higher sense of caution. Using things like scouts and neutral haulers go a long way and would allow you to operate if your little pocket of space out of harms way of evil war decers.
CCP and CSM do.
In the EVE Leadership meeting the CSM was presented with numbers resulting from research into the state of war declarations in EVE and those numbers quite starkly showed how asymmetric the situation is, and how war declarations allow a small number of players to negatively affect a huge number of people, with low risk.
A CSM that is entirely a part of a Nullsec bloc that lives and prospers off of N+1 (with the exception of Steve), no surprise there.
This is where I disagree with CCPs mindset here because I find using and abusing game mechanics to enable a small group to be victorious over a larger group FAR more exciting than oh they just brought more Supers and Titans. That example doesn’t directly say anything about Highsec but the theme of it does. The only reason why we are seemingly so impactful is because Nullsec groups don’t want to have any part of highsec PvP. It’s not where they’ve chosen to play. So we pick off stragglers and idiots and it’s as though we’re picking them apart one by one.
Quote above is not from a CSM.
Its from the minutes, as how and why CCP showed that data to CSM.
I know what you’re referring to. 
is this because Nullsec has gotten so stale? Just waiting out your 6 months before you go burn the north again?
I didn’t say the quote was CSM. I’m saying that it’s of no surprise that the CSM are against a small group of players impacting a large group of players.
Probably part of them. I mean, the intent of those contracts is to force people to dock up, you know?
Read.
The quote is from the minutes, as to how and why CCP showed this data to CSM.
The quote is not by CSM.
Its an explanation of why CCP showed them that data.
If you take 9 other people, and working with them, murder 200 people one by one, why is it that the larger group, the 200, couldn’t stop the smaller group?
Defeat in detail is a thing. Can you really say a small group was victorious over ‘a larger group’ when the ‘larger group’ is actually a few dozen smaller groups?
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No. Just helping someone out with a thing, and well… you guys have had us dec’d for months. You might get squashed along the way.
Hello I am aware of this. I am saying that CSM are all horrified at the thought that a small group of players can negatively impact a larger group of players.
Read. Are you reading this?
True you’re right. It doesn’t have to be one by one though as we’re all going to see very soon.
The data was presented to CSM by CCP, because CCP is “horrified” by it as well.
Hi Aware of this, I’m Annah, welcome to the echo chamber of people that don’t play EVE
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Look the supers were CFC do you want me to go drag up the BR. You said that Razor accidently killed IRC, it was not, it was the CFC who accidently killed IRC. The fact is that when it came to the important have to win timers the CFC mobilised, as I said you keep believing your own propaganda.
Ho hum, it is the way you define it, it is not so much that you are dominating larger groups, you are dominating in terms of hisec smaller groups and picking off dumb people from nullsec in hisec.
Still no war dec from Marrmite, 
There’s a difference though. While we take our fair share of spankings from groups that organize against us, we have done the same to the same groups.
There’s a difference between what we are capable of and what other “mercs” are capable of. Plus just because you define it as “picking off dumb people from Nullsec” doesn’t mean that it has no merit. These are people that are exposed to a mechanic that allows open combat in Highsec, yet choose to come here and expose themselves.
It’s easy for us to get lax because we’re so used to groups not organizing against us. So it’s always a welcome surprise when it heats up and we’re tested and pushed. I don’t think you’d see other groups taking BL on and such.
In the end it’s similar to a group or individuals gameplay consisting of guerilla warfare in your space or area. It can be very hard to fight.
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The fact that CCP is seemingly just now horrified speaks volumes about how disconnected they are.
You mean to tell me that after years of people crying and people begging on both sides of the fence for changes, that only now are they surprised?
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Myself and many others have been loud voices in that CCP has completely killed off specialized hunting and niche activities that heavily relied on the watchlist. I would gladly take heavy Wardec restrictions like only being able to dec 5-10 groups at a time as long as CCP gave us a proper way to hunt. I’m not going to spend hours chasing ghosts that I have no idea are online or not, and obviously not very many people are.
I can’t recall seeing the last Super / Titan kill that was actually hunted and not the result of a fake Freeport or some idiot cynoing in on a random Astrahus.
Sure we saved supers and Titans! Yay! Seems like we need to reverse the change to help combat some of the overbearing issues with capitals that we have.
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Here’s a specific story of a good friend of mind that no longer plays the game because CCP made it infinitely harder to do what he enjoyed.
Without going into the autistic details of his process, I had a friend that would sell Harvester Mining Drones to people, locate them in highsec, and steal them back via incapacitating them woth smartbomb damage.
I’m not entirely solid on the mechanic but he was able to judge a players likely drone skills and then use the exact combination of smartbomb to get him in a damage range that allows him to incapacitate the drone instead of kill it. It would effectively disconnect the drones from the ship and he would warp in and scoop them.
To me that is infinitely cooler and more unique than saving some ■■■■■■■ Capital ships in the way they did. All that’s left is macro fighting and mechanics. All the interesting ■■■■ where a player can use his ingenuity to make the game work for him are well out the door. So yeah you’re right CCP doesn’t like mechanics and situations that empower an individual because it seems unfair that someone dedicated would find a way to make the mechanics work in his favor. Instead they want blobbing and a stagnant Nullsec.
And as I’ve said, there might have been one or two SIGs involved, but that’s hardly the full weight of the (then) CFC. Feel free to pull up the BR, I’d be curious to see what I can reconstruct out of it. Precisely which alliances were there in what numbers would be interesting to see.