The Cynabal - It's Time, CCP

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Yeah so the reason I don’t go the invul route is because it takes capacitor the Cynabal doesn’t really have to spare tbh. Check the cap life on that fit it’s really awful. I’ll post the geno fit I tested below rather than have people play guessing games lol. Honestly the cap life still isn’t great on this one so I personally just roll some cheap abyssal mwds off the quad lif mwd until I get one that has lower cap use without many drawbacks. Of course you can also just buy a faction mwd if you don’t want to gamble.

[Cynabal, shield geno xlasb]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
‘Deuce’ Co-Processor I
Damage Control II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Warp Disruptor

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Acolyte II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Low-grade Snake Epsilon
Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Power Grid Management EG-605
Eifyr and Co. ‘Rogue’ Evasive Maneuvering EM-705
Zor’s Custom Navigation Hyper-Link

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doesnt care how you fit ! i just denied your point that the cynabal struggles to fit an XLASB.

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Give it 25 cpu and power grid and 10% dps to 425s and the it’s a lot better. Tbh there’s almost no reason to use 425s over 220s most of the time due to the fitting difference and the minuscule damage differences.
You lose like 3k fall off with barrage and 20 base dps for a ton of fitting room dropping your gun size. It’s just not worth it most of the time.

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you can say that about all ships oO

btw… take a look ! i see a lot of kills from cynabal pilots ! so i dont think the cynabal needs any rework
Cynabal | Ship | zKillboard

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Just fly Catalysts. It’s really all you need.

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I run 2 Sentinel Sebos, not 3 my friend. I typically run MWD, Tech II Warp Disruptor, and a Caldari Navy Warp Scram for the Tech II Indy’s. Again, the Gnosis can match the Cyna, but with greater sacrifice. It’s also a BC, which is EXTREMELY slower on the catch. It’s not the same ship. Gnosis is a STATIONARY ship at it’s best and better for remote boosting because IT’S SO SLOW.

And this is why you can’t debate with you. Pilots like you try to fit for everything. I’ve been in EVE since 2004 my friend. There WILL ALWAYS be a ship that can perform better. This is why CCP Games made a dramatic shift many years ago to defining ROLES for ships. Those role here meaning a singular focus for the most part. That means wearing one or two hats in a comp. You my friend seem to be arguing for ships and builds that can WEAR MULTIPLE if not ALL HATS in a comp. Then crying they can’t DO EVERTHING because X, Y, Z can WEAR MULTIPLE.

Let me clue you in on a little thing. Almost all games have tier lists. Certain ships are going to be higher tier or S tiers or whatever over others. Cynabal certainly is not a ship that’s going to be that ship. It’s doesn’t need to be. It performs well in the role it has and certainly, their will be higher tier ships out there. We do not need every ship to be the highest tiers to be good.

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I mean the whole point of my comment was that you make a huge number of sacrifices, so yeah it does matter how it fits xD

Like, you can fit rapid heavy launcher onto a NOsprey or a heavy neut onto a curse but they’re also restrictive things.

Finally, something all EVE pilots can get behind. Kills Dagan, great for newbie. Kills JF, great for multiboxing veterans. What’s not to love?

Oh you were quoting overheated stats? OK, so you don’t make the t3d breakpoint and should run 1 sebo with 2x t2 targeting speed rigs to free up a mid slot for a web or whatever else. 1195 is the number to match or beat for 30m sig but almost all ships are 32m+ which only needs 1157 and you’ll have 1175 with your implant and sebo and heat will get you past 1195. imo it’s more important to have that extra mid than to have an extra rig slot on your fit.

I brought up common examples of what is needed in tank to survive, and what is expected in terms of damage. I’m… not sure what complaining about player culture has to do with that, but it’s pretty clear that I’m not asking for the Cynabal to be the best at everything, there is no need to fear about that lol. I’d still be keeping the other notable weaknesses the ship has.

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still doesnt care because its a great ship and is in heavy use ! this ship is fine as it is ! and a lot of ships neet to have implants or some recource mods fittet to fit things. you can easy get it without struggly on a cynabal ! yes you need to sacrifice stuff but you always need to sacrifice some stuff if you choose a fit !

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Ah it’s not paying the price that I object to - I like having to make tradeoffs. For me, it has more to do with the fact that no matter which tradeoff you pick, you often end up a bit shy on the damage side of things. I’m ok if people disagree with this, but I hope the other examples of ships I gave will help give an idea of the sort of offensive presence I’m hoping for.

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then lets compare the cynabal with an ONI :

the mportant stats

2477 m/s w/o heat
240 DPS with fury ( include reload )
range 51 km
365 EHP/s
12,2k EHP

[Osprey Navy Issue, Olaf Ronuken’s Osprey Navy Issue]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Warp Disruptor II
Small F-RX Compact Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Energy Nosferatu II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Acolyte II x5

now the cynabal
Important facts :
2545 m/s w/o heat
391 DPS with barrage / 630 DPS with Hail ( both include with reload )
3km + 30,5km with Barrage / 1,5km + 15,2 KM with Hail
447 EHP/s
17,4k EHP
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Cynabal, CaseyLP’s Cynabal]

‘Dyad’ Co-Processor I
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

‘Interruptive’ Warp Disruptor
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
[Empty High slot]

Medium EM Shield Reinforcer I
[Empty Rig slot]
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-603

at the end it looks like the cynabal is in every stat except range better then the ONI
and the cynabal fit isnt even realy good … it just was the first i found on zkb with an XLASB ( same with the ONI )

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Comparing two fits that are rapid lights and 425s are not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

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then you couldnt compare a cynabal with an oni because other weapon system. doesnt make sense !

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Oh no, I’m not wanting to compare the RLML system to 425mm on the Cynabal haha. I’m saying that because NOsprey do like 25k clip damage, if you want to feel good about flying an AC Cynabal then you need probably at least 33-35k ehp (since their drones also deal dmg) in order to feel good about using your speed to chase down most kiting ships. You will of course want more than that in order to fight stronger kiting ships, but the purpose of my comparisons earlier was to try and set the stage for what a cruiser should avoid dying to. They are ideal targets for a ship like the Cynabal to hunt because it does not need to reload its guns and it outruns them.

The NOmen in either pulse or beam form is a lot closer to comparison points for the Cynabal in terms of weapon. Only, it has pure optimal range for very similar dps and in return it has fewer mids for utility.

My issue is, once you’ve invested that much into tank, you’ve traded away a lot of other things, and the damage isn’t anything cool to begin with so it just barely ends up being a little too weak imo. Usable? Sure, just know you’re not getting your money’s worth lol.

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only point ive done is ! Cynabal is a good ship without any needs of adjustments !

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I’m glad you like it for what you use it for, and congratulations on your kills. As expensive as it is, it still needs some work.

Yes, good scan resolution does not make up for the lackluster base speed. The problem is the similar stats in cheaper navy cruisers.

Maybe the update will lower the price to be closer, but I’ll still avoid it without a stat update.

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