Tell that to all the people who couldn’t even get into the car.
That’s fine if going 5 mph is all that you require. A Formula 1 racing car that only goes 5 mph is of no use to anyone, and is for all intents and purposes, broken.
6000 people in system, 2000+ fighters and a couple hundred people couldnt get back online. Its not like we had 3000 disconnects and nobody being able to get back online.
The server never shut down, it never broke, it never kicked every single player. BUT it was pushed to the very limit of what the server can do, thats for sure.
Their car is fine today right? It was fine 2 hours after the fight and needed no repair. Thats my point.
Nothing actually broke, we simply forced the server to its knees. Had TIDI never been invented, the server would have crashed at 3000 people in system and NOBODY could play eve for hours, that wasnt the case.
Again, have some perspective and sense of realism.
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I don’t think you are very good at analogies or metaphors or understanding points.
You do realize we are not actually talking about a car, don’t you?
If you are arguing that something remarkable was achieved, or that it was fine for the outcome to be decided by lag, disconnections and TiDi, then save yourself some time and stop doing so, I will never agree with you.
I know PH players who are bitterly disappointed with the battle, and they won.
The 4 Nyx spy cyno trap was good though 
I will never agree with you either, but that doesnt mean we cant argue?
And yes, i do realize we arent talking about a car, but i wasnt the one who started with the car, now was i? 
Something remarkable was achieved, nobody can say otehrwise, even if you dont agree.
But if you expected to stuff 6000 people into a system and things would run smoothly, you arent being realistic. Thats just a fact, nothing you can argue about.
This battle was effectively the biggest mass test CCP has ever done and they did everything to prep for it.
But how can anyone expect this to have been a great fight, when the M-O was a tidi infested nightmare, with 1000 people less and about 2000 fighters less… Perspective…
Wheres Mr “alts are evil” to say it was never 6000 players?
Clickbait…
Is the claim 6000 people or 6000 toons? It does make a difference at some level.
I have literally no idea. But even though I have no problem with alts at all, Ive always found it hard to understand how there’s that many people out there.
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There was not that many players, only the thousand alts of Mitanni and Gobbins.
The level of outrage that followed made the server analyse the situation twice before making the jams and fighters hit, hence the overload. It was a politic fight.
I’m among the players of PH who had to endure 8h of desynch, logoff, irresponsive UI, and finally unable to join the fight. I did not enjoy, though next time I will do it 100% - because we need to protect PL.
(^last sentence is sarcasm^)
We started in my scorpion fleet with 256 ppl. towards the end, before I logged off, we were 147. That means only in my fleet, 109 ppl disconnected. okay, two spys were kicked. ALSO people were disconnected and still able to reconnect(FC was kicked twice).
in our fleet, total we had I guess 200 disconnections. IT’s more than 110 fore sure.
We had three fleets of scorps, two were full for sure when we left c4c.
How dare you say there was only 200 kicks ?
The role of a server is not to be online. It is, to SERVE resources when clients demand them. Of course it needs to be online to do so, but being powered is not enough.
Do you accept that your bank randomly modifies you account’s worth when requesting it from their website ? Nobody does. Yet it is still online.
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And there we go. There clearly isnt.
So say if I’m leader of a big Alliance and want to defend my stuff I just get everyone in the Corp/Alliance/etc and warp to whatever system is being attacked to fubar the server there so as many people get kicked from the server as possible?
Do game designers never think someone will try and break their rules they laid down and play fair or something? It’s not only this MMO I mean, its heaps of MMO’s I’ve played. Developers throw something on the test servers players ago, “oh you better fix this because people will exploit it” and the developers go “ahem I think we know what we are doing stupid player” and boom exploits for months.
Whats the deal?
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Apparently now if you want to make a Keepstar indestructable, just fill it with drone alts ready to undock and crash the node as the attackers gather. Crazy but not unforeseeable.
what i said was, there were only a couple hundred people who were never able to get back online. Most managed to reconnect again, although it took its sweet time hehe
well you affirm that but do not show any source for this affirmation. This means, it is completely worthless.
On this opposite, I affirm that in our 256-men fleet, half at least got disconnections, and I assume that there was no reason for half the 4000 players on the grid to not have the same, so I affirm that following those hypothesis 2 000 people suffered disconnections. Which is ten times what you affirm without any source.
So please, explain me how you come to that number, so I understand where I am wrong. But without source that won’t happen.
So you are saying 2000 people disconnected and never were able to get back online?
From what i can gather, aprox 90% of everyone could login back in, even though it took a very long time, but it was far from all who were never able to log back in.
Thats what im saying. Im not saying only a few hundred got disconnected, im saying only a few hundred were never able to get back online.
I am saying we had constantly almost half people disconnected . If you call that a correct service, I hope your colleagues have higher expectations.
I can tell you in the IT field this is a failure.
As with his replies to me, he seems to think that because eventually everything went back to normal, there was never a problem in the first place. When he says:
He includes being able to log back on the next day when the battle was over.
Seriously, I know your natural instinct is to assume he can’t actually be saying something that stupid, but he actually is.
With my elephants / crushed car example, his logic was that the car wasn’t crushed, because it was working afterwards. So again, the logic is that because I can go to 9-4RP2 right now, there is no cause to complain about what happened in 9-4RP2 during the actual battle.
It was at this point I stopped replying to him.
This for example:
This is what he is saying, but I am not sure even he knows how it’s relevant to anything, because the important part to him is that they eventually got back online, even if they got back online after the battle.
it’s next level pedantry / deflection that just sidetracks the point to such a degree that you suddenly realize you are no longer talking about anything relevant to what actually happened at the time.
Good luck if you are brave / mad enough to continue. 
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Thank you, I had not noticed how stupid his answer actually was, just thought this was another level of extra-geration .We are actually talking to someone who thinks that killing is not bad, as eventually someone will be born to replace the dead.
However, I still think I should respect myself and keep talking to him like he was serious. I will get tired of it, but at least I will have remained correct. In the end, that’s what I want to be proud of - not “salt” like some people claim they are in need.
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All im saying is, the server didnt crash, alot of people got disconnected, but most of them were able to log back in during the fight. Only a few hundred never managed to get back online.
Did we expect to much of eve? Absolutely
Did CCP set us up to do giant fights like this? Absolutely
Who is at fault? Both.
CCP knew the hype was gonna bring thousands and they know what the server can do. BUT the players also over hyped this thing so much, that the outcome was inevetable. If nothing but Panfam and Imperium had showed, things would have been a whole lot different tbh. BUT because of how CCP have hyped structures and the destruction, and because of how much players want to see this, it turns into a giant show. 
I dont have all the answers, as you so nicely pointed out, but calling this a complete failure is a one-sided narrow view of what happened. It was a failure, from a gamers perspective, but it was also a technological feat.
Much like the first airplanes, they all broke and crashed, but they did something nobody thought possible and it was then further developed. Just like Eve, the internet and PC tech, over the past 15 years.
But thanks for your time guys, always nice to be called stupid, just because people dont agree
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