Even better, take up the NRDS RoE in other parts of space!
What are you talking about?
Recruitment standards outside of CVA were just awful. Look at what happened to Care Factor. Lost all their stuff to a Director scam.
You lost two Tier 1 transports moving crap about to HTP. Or does the above statement refer to losses on alts?
It was almost impossible to get blue alliances to discipline their members. There was a dude in -7- that was noted on multiple occasions running in NPSI fleets, arguing that killing neutrals in Low Security Amarr was a violation of NRDS because it was outside of Providence. Total BS, then one day he screws up and shoots someone in leadershipâs alt, then all of a sudden, Furi kicks them and problem solved.
CVA got blamed every time a blue structure ( -7- US-TZ setting structures instead of EU-TZ were a huge problem ) got attacked and CVA did not save the damn thing, it was CVAâs fault, not the fact a group of 1000 couldnât be bothered to have more than 10 people in the CTA fleet.
It was not a pirate corporation, but it was corrupt and did not act in the members best interests, that is for sure.
Shouldnât you all be krabbing?
I am.
Come on guys! Join the NRDS Community in Providence. It still needs you!
Spread the word and see you in Providence fighting pirates!
And yes, I still prefer being a âmeme dudeâ to being part of a group represented by the likes below.
This is who we fight:
So bad
From: Zilkaconnel Deadly
Sent: 2021.03.28 21:37
To: Caldranna,
Why do you still whelp endless for nothing at this point your just a meme dude, Uninstall the game and never come back thanks o/
Pirates of high moral standards crying in Y-MPWL local:
jamieyokai yokai > oh dang its gideon the no moral man
k9 cerebus > Gideon Zendikar what you spy and now hunt our newbros good up hill run boyo,
Caldranna > you guys took Provi from many little guys
Caldranna > and now you cry? lol
k9 cerebus > i dont cry i put trust into Gideon Zendikar and respect then he through it in are face
Caldranna > lol a lot of you guys were part of Provi and you betrayed it 
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CVA Space = Stain
Forget sov, who ever is leading the CVA effort must start understanding this. If you continue to fight for sov space You will always have some idiot landlord on your case and because you are NRDS you will be a primary target for many people.
The fight for Sov is long and hard, Iâm not saying this is a bad thing I just think CVA has too much heat and youâre in for a very tough ride if you choose to remain in SOV. Managing sov space can be difficult and on top of that youâre trying to manage NRDS and neutrals having access to your space which is alot to deal with. Iâm sure the people within CVA who directly manage these aspects are burnt out and stressed which is not exactly what Eve was meant to be about.
Come to Stain and limit your losses, help Stain become an economic powerhouse.
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Providence isnât sov. Providence is our home.
Yes, I agree.
Unfortunately, I think that the problem here in this thread is that there are a lot of NBSIs that hate NRDS because they donât understand how it really functions. Itâs much more complex then âdonât shoot neutralsâ. NRDS standings in CVA were not based just on you but your past as well. Once a pirate always a pirateâŚbut if you demonstrated that you were willing to change your ways and not just trying to âgo for the next fadâ, then you could probably convince them to join. Except many were not really serious about it and got mad that they cant just hop into the corp like any other pirate alliance and commenced to hating NRDS in general. Also, neutrals could be shot at if they didnât follow the rules set in place (for their safety and ours) so those pirates might have been shot down as neutrals when/if they broke those rules which fueled their hate even more as follows becauseâŚ
Another thing that has not been touched on much is that NRDS was a challenge in itself and this is a big part of what made it so fun. All these people trying to play NRDS like it was some kind of sleepy PVP donât know what they are talking about. NRDS is on another level compared to NBSI. You have to watch intel and filter out the neutrals, because some NBSI corps send in neutrals to scout us out before their troops come in. WE had rules in place for our neutrals to minimize this and find out who was scouting and who was not. If you donât follow these rules, you could be shot down, but then again for the innocent neutrals the rules also saved your butt because if you were out ratting or mining and a potential red fleet were about to come in, that meant that a neutral had to learn to watch intel and dock when a potential fleet was on the radar. This is actually the perfect environment for highsec âcarebearsâ to see a bit of what life in nullsec was about (ratting/mining/etc) without having to necessarily join some pirate corp/alliance. Meanwhile they also get to see a little bit what its like to defend SOV and hopefully maybe even a way to get some new recruits later so itâs almost like a bootcamp because the more we see each other, the more familiar we are and they can also help with the intel etc, get used to our acronyms and even later joinâŚif they choose to do so. Those people posting here that now that CVA is gone, carebears can come to nullsec have it twisted. NRDS was already giving carebears the environment they need to come to nullsec. Not all players want to be pirates people. Some carebears choose to stay in highsec because they donât want to be a pirate and/or are afraid of getting ganked at gatecamps in lowsec and nullsec. Provi was the only area that a carebear could go and not have to worry so much about getting ganked in a gatecamp. They donât have the experience to know what to look for to find gates that arent camped and they donât have/want to risk the isk losing ships capable of ratting or mining nullsec to a gank at a gatecamp or from roaming fleets. All you pirates forgot what it is like to be a newbie/carebear. Provi WAS that gateway for carebearsâŚnow its gone.
NRDS was so much fun to play and I really miss it but it is also intense. The fact that the CVA Coalition (because it wasnât just CVA but a team effort with all of the other alliances teamed with CVA) managed to hold Provi for so long with the âhandicapâ and smaller fleets than most other pirate alliances should be commended and as sad as I am to find out that CVA is not NRDS anymore I hold no grudge. BRAVO. Thanks for the effort and all you did. Not all of us want to be âpiratesâ. Some of us want to be the âgood guysâ and on the contrary, I find it sad that there is this mindset that nullsec is only for âpiratesâ.
Too bad NRDS cant be more easily managed with in-game standingsâŚor that there cant be some way to make it simpler to update standings quickly. Another thing people dont realize is that Provi was a common hot spot for pirate corps all over Eve. Few SOVs had pirates attacking in fleets basically daily and at near all times of the day. There were people who left provi and came back because it was more fun defending provi than going out looking for people to fight! (At that timeâŚ) Ahh the good ol daysâŚsigh.
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Thatâs the same as saying that NRDS sov space can never be part of a blue donut - reason being that one party dares to call itself NRDS ? Thatâs also suggesting that no one can still take and hold sov unless paying dues to âlandlords/slumlordsâ in a feudal system. When these slumlords band together you get a blue donut, where they keep each other at bay (good for business) and everyone else working for them via taxes/rent (even better for their business). If anything, that state of the game (vis Serenity)*, if and when it occurs, should be challenged, be it by groups that call themselves NRDS or Goons or whatever they fancy.
Re-reading this thread and your post in particular: I understand youâre pointing out the apparent hypocrisy.
The real hypocrisy is that the NBSI community evolves towards a blue donut because they address the number one priority of their membership, krabbing for isk in safety. NRDS Provi had half the game on red because of refusing to be part of any grouping beyond their own coalition, thus accumulating red standings and KOS labels because of repeated invasions, often by the same major blocs. According to its own rules it needed to stay neutral at all times, never take sides. There wasnât a single case, to my knowledge, of a group set red by Provi that considered Provi to be blue in return.
It was far too convenient for these content deprived large blocs and small groups alike to have a hostile Provi where they could come and shoot every day and all day long.
That is until one major bloc decided it wanted some practice in the new sov mechanics and curbstomped it out of existence, and leaving Provi bloc too spent to resist a lowsec bloc from rolling in.
That half the game was red to NRDS Provi was never Proviâs choice, but a consequence of being attacked, or for local rule violation, while the affected did not even attempt to get improved standings/not-KOS status. Diplomacy always goes both ways.
Could it have been different ? If NRDS was implemented from a position of power, perhaps. Keeping a low profile and appearing to act docile is not a long term safe guard, as proven. With enough passing of years, the batphones become disconnected, or simply lose interest.
Imagine Goons or PL declaring themselves NRDS in the past, the history of sov NRDS would still continue.
So I was flying through hisec in pod and fell asleep at the wheel and go POP.
I get then invited to CODE.'s âWhy Was I ganked channelâ where they give instructions on the ransom I got to pay to be safe from them:
Aaaarrgg > Steam Blast gf
Aaaarrgg > another empty pod
Steam Blast > pffffffffffffffffffff
Steam Blast > you guys are a joke 
Aaaarrgg > says the guy on ap in a pod
Steam Blast > haha, yeah, you shot a pod
Aaaarrgg > yes i did âŚyours
Aaaarrgg > Steam Blast did you enjoy losing in our pvp battle
Steam Blast > You stomped an ant and it took 3 of you
Aaaarrgg > Kill: Steam Blast (Capsule) 3 ? you need glasses
Steam Blast > Well some 2 other guys tried before you it seems
Steam Blast > I donât know how, but I have 3 kill rights
Steam Blast > gg
Aaaarrgg > so 2 âothersâ randomly tried to kill your pod and failed and you didnt think to go manual⌠i suspect thats not true
Steam Blast > I remember you guys once trying to kill my Golem in HS and losing your BCs because of how well you coordinated the strike
Aaaarrgg > hmm have you any evidence for this claim
Steam Blast > Why so touchy dude?
Aaaarrgg > we dont use bcs to kill golems for starters
Steam Blast > Mistakes happen to everyone At least you can kill a pod
Steam Blast > Providence Skies - Catherine Faber - YouTube joinChannel: PROVIDENCE CRUSADE EXPLAINED
Steam Blast > Donât pay them ransom. Come join a fight for a 0.0 space you can be safe in
Steam Blast > And if code enters they will be blasted out of their ships and pods on sight
Aaaarrgg > Steam Blast who owns this null space you are talking about ?
Steam Blast > No one. Itâs fought for on a daily basis
Steam Blast > Providence Skies - Catherine Faber - YouTube joinChannel: PROVIDENCE CRUSADE EXPLAINED
- do you hate pirates?
- do you hate CODE.?
Come join us in a fight for a 0.0 where you can actually stand your ground!
Amarr Victor!
Aaaarrgg > damm roleplayers
This is why we fight for Providence! We fight to give you a chance to stand your ground against the pirates of New Eden!
Donât just get bullied!
Donât just cope with CODE. or pay them ransoms in High Sec!
Donât just join a pirate alliance for 0.0 access!
Join the Not Red Donât Shoot NRDS community fighitng to retake Providence!
Amarr Victor!
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I have a lot of personal respect for you but people in glass houses shouldnât throw stones. CVA had no requirements for corporations to vet membersâ ESI. Some did, some didnât. Some of those who did hosted their SeAT on my servers because the alliance had no guidance in getting these things set up.
Iâve been personally informed by RC members after the war that some of the easiest Corporations to get spies into were in CVA. I am willing to DM you names on Discord if youâd like but I donât want to shame the Corps publicly. You probably already know the ones Iâm talking about.
I agree this was an issue, but I also remember a long-term member of CVA who went around cloaking up in relic sites and shooting neutral and blue explorers in Providence (there are plenty of examples on his killboard). When I complained about this to CVA Diplo, it was completely ignored.
100% agree. Plenty of alliances didnât pull their weight and this ultimately cost us our home.
Iâm not here to re-fight old battles, I just think that as long as CVA doesnât accept that it too was imperfect â with spies, malicious actors, and at times not living up to the standards it set for everybody else â it will not return to its potential. I long for a day when fleets march on Providence and re-take the region but itâll only happen when the music is faced.
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