The Grand Heist - Now Live!

[Snowflake_Tem]

@Aiden_Mizhen

How about the eve birthday event, every Omega player gets a praxis, gnosis, sunesis, and an apothesis.

The difference between giving you a fishing rod and giving you the coin for fish and chips. Arguably of negligible impact; but because it is a first and because it is a sop to economic activists, it’s profound.

[Aiden_Mizhen]

Except the coin can be spent on a fishing rod too. N’est pas? What do you think most players did with their ships? Probably sold it.

[Moriar_theChosen]

Anyone run the lowsec sites yet? Apparently they’re totally horrifying. People losing Matauders, etc.

[Verlyn]

@Aiko_Danuja

I don’t see the difference between clicking on a rat and getting a ‘bounty’ vs clicking on login and getting a ‘reward’. There’s actually no difference whatsoever.

The ammount of stupid in that one post is almost too much …

Alas, unless my trolldetector failed…

[Aiko_Danuja]

Oh, I get it now.

CCP realized that farmer-grinders get isk from clicking on rats, but PvP players don’t get any isk from clicking on carebear miners. By giving isk to EVERYONE, CCP is subsidizing the PvP players and giving them a reward!

This is wealth redistribution, from the PvE players to the PvP players.

[Zhalyd_Lyehin]

It’s Aiko, what do you expect? Though, can you really call her a troll anymore of the very game developer follows a similar line of thought?

[Verlyn]

Connecting environment variables should be easy enough, even for a half-decent troll.

Instead he’s back on lame barrel trolls, see his post above. lol

Anyway …

[Verlyn]

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

All in all: Anything that removes players from the open world, regardless how short-lived that is, in a game that centers around engagements between players in the open world space is bad. Period.

They could’ve done soooo much more to bridge open world with instanced Trig content, but then, nope…

[Aiden_Mizhen]

Yeah, from what I’ve seen, they appear very difficult. I think that’s why the 3 person cap is in place, not to protect explorers but to make the site more difficult to run. I’ve heard that tengu’s may be good for this, unfortunately their price has skyrocketed due to the war. Maybe a remote rep setup might work? Spider tank some leshaks or something? Depends on the difficulty of the hacking I guess.

[Aiden_Mizhen]

It seems like the sites are more combat focused rather than hacking, which isn’t necessary a bad thing, just not what I expected.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Sgt_Ocker

NO, you don’t. You clearly stated “people you talk to”.
Then went on to say, a lot of folks on the forums Don’t actively play the game so aren’t worth listening to.

You are pretty bad at this. I said I represent everybody. I said that I talked to a lot of people who are happy with the free isk. I said those people matter more than people on the forums who don’t play the game.

Three separate statements. And whether you like it or not, I represent you. There are 10 CSM members, the electorate is the entire game, we represent the entire game.

I see other points of view constantly. Seeing, hearing, understanding - all parts of my job. Agreeing with - not necessarily a part of my job.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

That is heinous. The EVE players are not resilient, they simply don’t have another choice. If there was another similar space scifi MMO available that is being developed better and not as meme-y as EVE, EVE would have been dead years ago. CCP simply banks on the luxury that they don’t have competition. Saying that EVE players are resilient is grossly misrepresenting the reality.

There are plenty of other space games, plenty of other MMOs, and at least two major space MMOs. When I say resilient, I mean it - EVE players stick with this game through good times and bad, and the data proves it. And it’s not because there’s nothing else to play. Most of us play other games some times, but we always come back to EVE.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

Tell me one reason why people should not be outraged by CCP handing out ISK for free when they kept telling people over and over that there is too much ISK in the economy and that they have to reduce the faucets?

Because they were saying that two years ago before they imposed scarcity on the game, the velocity of isk and the money supply in the game have been steadily dropping for those two years, and CCP has recently announced that the economy is where they wanted it to be so they can start turning the faucets back on.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

And tell me why people should not be mad about this as it is just another salami tactics step closer to selling actual things like ships. It started with SP that CCP said would never come from thin air and only from player training them. Months later they started selling SP. CCP also said that they would sell manufactured items. Months later they start with frigs, then destroyers, then ammo.

This would be a legitimate gripe if they were actually selling something. They’re giving this stuff away for free.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

Only someone like you could possibly lay blame on the players for being annoyed by these steps to ruining the game further and further. Lucky for you, you are in perfect company over there with these developers.

I didn’t blame the players for being annoyed. I correctly predicted that they would be annoyed. It was a relatively easy prediction, because those of you who are mad here are always mad. And, for the record, I told them multiple times not to do this - I thought it smelled desperate and if they had to do it to tie it to undocking, not just logging in. That being said, I don’t think it’s the worst thing they’ve done this month so I’m not bent out of shape about it, and I acknowledge it’s popular. But we all know, if there’s one thing folks on the forums like to do, it’s complain.

You, for example - I think if I ever read you say something positive about EVE, it would be the first time.

[Verlyn]

The REAL Grand Heist, happened in 2011.

Read and learn newbies.

EVE Evolved: The great wormhole heist, part 1 | Engadget

[Verlyn]

@Brisc_Rubal

There are plenty of other space games, plenty of other MMOs, and at least two major space MMOs. When I say resilient, I mean it - EVE players stick with this game through good times and bad, and the data proves it. And it’s not because there’s nothing else to play. Most of us play other games some times, but we always come back to EVE.

What kind of come back though ?

Because I look at the 2011 equivalent of a Grand Heist,

Then I compare it to CCPs 2021 instanced and themepark equivalent,

And my creative side laughs real hard in yours and CCPs/PA’s face.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Verlyn

What kind of come back though ?

Because I look at the 2011 equivalent of a Grand Heist,

Then I compare it to CCPs 2021 instanced and themepark equivalent,

And my creative side laughs real hard in yours and CCPs/PA’s face.

The good thing is that both of those things exist in the game.

[Verlyn]

@Brisc_Rubal

The good thing is that both of those things exist in the game.

Not since citadels.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Verlyn

Not since citadels.

There have been no big player thefts since Citadels?

[Zhalyd_Lyehin]

@Brisc_Rubal

This would be a legitimate gripe if they were actually selling something. They’re giving this stuff away for free.

You have to be Omega, so it’s not free. And the above examples all cost RL cash to get the items.

@Brisc_Rubal

There are plenty of other space games, plenty of other MMOs, and at least two major space MMOs.

There is no space MMO like EVE. Not a single one. And I clearly said that. Sure, we could all go and play Albion because it is somewhat similar to EVE in terms of risk vs reward and gameplay, but it’s still not a space MMO. However, since you seem to know so many “scifi space MMO that are similar to EVE”, would you care to share some examples? I would be intrigued to learn about them and maybe explore them further to see if they can replace EVE for me.

@Brisc_Rubal

Most of us play other games some times, but we always come back to EVE.

Yes, because there is nothing like EVE. Just because I loved Witcher or Cyberpunk doesn’t mean I ditched EVE. And COD or BF is also not like EVE. There is simply no alternative.

@Brisc_Rubal

You, for example - I think if I ever read you say something positive about EVE, it would be the first time.

Then you ought to look closer. I say positive things about EVE on a regular basis. But only about things that I truly believe are positive for the game and the players. Unlike you or certain other grovel-in-the-dust type of people here who praise everything CCP does without regard for the consequences (and then backpaddle and add more fluff to the statement to relativize it).

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

You have to be Omega, so it’s not free. And the above examples all cost RL cash to get the items.

It is still free - it’s being handed out to people who have to do nothing but log in to claim it. That it’s only going to paying customers doesn’t make it “not free.” I don’t pay my subscription to get it, I pay my subscription to play the game. They handed me free stuff for doing something I already do.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

There is no space MMO like EVE. Not a single one. And I clearly said that. Sure, we could all go and play Albion because it is somewhat similar to EVE in terms of risk vs reward and gameplay, but it’s still not a space MMO. However, since you seem to know so many “scifi space MMO that are similar to EVE”, would you care to share some examples? I would be intrigued to learn about them and maybe explore them further to see if they can replace EVE for me.

Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, are the obvious ones. Plenty of people who play EVE have played those as well.

@Zhalyd_Lyehin

Then you ought to look closer. I say positive things about EVE on a regular basis. But only about things that I truly believe are positive for the game and the players. Unlike you or certain other grovel-in-the-dust type of people here who praise everything CCP does.

I love the fact that you think I praise everything CCP does, when I am actively one of the biggest critics and I tell them my criticism directly to their faces every week.

[Zhalyd_Lyehin]

@Brisc_Rubal

Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen,

ED is dead compared to EVE and SC is a scam and does not allow most advanced things that are allowed in EVE (and very much frowned upon in other games). Any more examples?

CODE once tried to start a franchise in ED and gank the hell out of players there but the developer quickly fixed these things. (CODE: The Saviours of EVE Online and Elite Dangerous. | Frontier Forums)

[Zhalyd_Lyehin]

On a more technical note: Why is Geminate included in the South East ESS key quadrant? That region is nowhere close to the south east and should be in the NE quadrant. Plus, why is Vale in the NW that goes from Vale all the way to Fountain, which is decidedly not NW. Fountain is closer to South West. And why is Omist in the SE when it’s closer to the SW region Feythabolis and Impass?

With 10 regions, NW has more regions than any other key under its range. SW has 9, and NE and SE only 8.

NW should lose Fountain to SW, Kalevala to NE and gain Geminate to have 9 regions.
SW should get Fountain and Omist to have 9 regions, and lose Catch and Providence to SE.
SE should lose Geminate to NE, Omist to SW and gain Catch and Providence to have 8 regions.
NE gains Kalevala to have 9 regions.

Much better spread and actually astrographically reasonable quadrant divisions along existing divides.