10 mill and hour doesn’t seem bad after 1 year of training. LOL
And that’s a problem.
Why is it easier to get high yield by training into a mining support ship than it is when a player specialises into mining?
Shouldn’t the progression into mining (and not mining support) involve progression from Venture into Barges into Exhumers?
If players can just ignore Barges by directly skilling into Orcas for a quicker high yield, isn’t something wrong with how mining has been designed in this game?
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that’s what you are really complaining about, it’s really not that much income to my knowledge. unless you have 8 stacked on an ice belt.
I wish i was playing right now, i could give you exact numbers, but it’s not that much compared to a T2 barge.
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Why is it easier to get high yield by training into a mining support ship than it is when a player specialises into mining?
I don’t know, it used to take forever to be an Orca pilot.
From 2016, why they allowed mining formans to make isk.
Mining Foreman Pillar #3: Contribute with powerful mining drones
The third pillar is the biggest change from the existing mining foreman gameplay, and the #1 request we’ve been hearing from the community on this topic over the past few years. All mining foreman ships should have their own mining ability to allow them to contribute directly to the results of their mining operation, and give them productive gameplay in between their other tasks.
We decided early on that mining drones would be a better fit than mining lasers for achieving this pillar, as these mining foreman ships would already have plenty of other things competing for highslot space.
To aid with this pillar, we are fleshing out the mining drone skills and progression in November. More details about those mining drone changes can be found later in this blog.
When equipped with mining drones these ships will all provide significant mining yield, with improved mining rates coming from the larger ships.
Thanks to the new Excavator mining drones, the Rorqual will become the most powerful mining ship in the game even without the use of the Industrial Core. With the Industrial Core active it will be in a league of its own, essentially a one-ship mining operation.
These three pillars are visible in each of the mining foreman ships, giving players the option of choosing whichever ship best matches the needs of their particular mining operations.
We’ll dive into the details about any ships soon, but first let’s go over the specifics of the new Mining Foreman Bursts and the revamped mining drones that will be used by all three ships.
an industrial pilot should be able to progress to a capital ship level in the game. with a respective level of skills and investment.
The procurer was at 55m and orca as 1.8b. Then we are talking of a ship 36 x price aprox.
Is fair.
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Not only that, but depending on what you are doing, it can take a lot more work to keep it running and you have travel time loss.
If you are mining standard ore belts, you have to target 5 different rocks, send mining commands to each drone individually though the drone control window, and try to keep as close to all 5 asteroids as you can the whole time.
A procurer has to target 2 rocks and has no travel delay.
That is just not true at all, Orca pilots were running fleets and making isk off the miners efforts.
A Procurer has travel delay too if they’re using mining drones.
If the Procurer isn’t using mining drones, the Procurer is mining even less than the Orca. At that point the Orca is mining over 37% faster than the Procurer, that’s significant.
Not really.
The Orca is a different path of the same profession as exhumers. They aren’t the next step.
Though if that’s how people think I can see the mistake they’re making.
They can with a rorqual.
LOL.
Then what is the previous pass of Rorqual? Venture ? Orca is good as is in progression path.
Orca is indeed in the progression path to the Rorqual.
If one wants to fly a capital mining ship, they can fly a Rorqual.
What has that got to do with anything?
The orca skill is a prerequisite for the rorqual skill.
porp > orca > rorq > rorq with industrial core
skill progression is not the same as a mining barge. I would say the two professions are actually far apart in my view.
From the 2016 dev blog:
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That was the plan in 2016. But obviously that design has lead to it become too powerful as a miner itself. So tone down the yield and re-focus it into support.
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The yield is on par with a proc (T1) ship, not a T2, so No thank you. LOL
Be real get data, show you work 
It’s in this thread.