I guess I need to spell it out for you word for word.
Can he participate in war deccing by deploying a small control tower or not?
Completely irrelevant to the subject.
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If you can’t be bothered to at least read original posts, then you are nothing but a blight on the forum.
As already showcased there is no need for wardecs to begin with. OP is just too afraid and lazy to partake in suicide ganking, that’s all. The issue is his own mindset not the game mechanics involved.
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That suicide ganking is the only solution you can offer shows the limitations of your thought processes.
If anyone is so desperate to blow ships up in high sec then CCP has given them a mechanic to do it for the low low price of 120 million isk plus whatever fees that takes. The OP swore it took Upwell structures. He took issue with me when I said it didn’t. And you are uselessly silent even when the question is put right to you, either evading or brain farting.
Speaking of limitations and also not paying attention: The OP himself provided evidence that wardecs are not going to solve his problem as he himself explained people hide their structures in holding corps while they mine from a different player corp which is undecable.
This means it is completely irrelevant how much they can wardec holding corps for as that will not solve anything OP will still be unable to blow up the expensive ships he wants to easy kill. Instead he can do just that without wardecs if he suicide ganks and/or bumps them and probably other ways exist to disrupt their operations as well.
So yeah irrelevant.
Well, I wish more newbros would have responded to war decs by learning how to manage risk and/or how to fight back. Unfortunately, however, a lot of them opted for turtling up and/or leaving the game. So CCP made the change in order to limit the amount of players being lost. I used to think that this was a good thing, as it would mean more players staying, but now I’m not so sure. I mean, if you quit the game because of a war dec, is Eve the right game for you?
I don’t know. I suppose it’s possible that a lot of desirable newbros were led astray by bad leadership who advised them to turtle. Turtling is an effective strategy, but it’s not very fun, and involves not playing the game. I could see how this could lead to a lot of newbros leaving. They’re not yet invested in the game, they don’t know that there are other, more fun options, and they’re being told by their leaders to not play the game. Is it any wonder why so many left?
But I digress. I’m not a super big fan of how things work now, but I don’t think CCP is just going to go back to the way things were. So, is there some other solution? Something that could open more corps up to war decs and encourage more player interaction without resulting in a bunch of newbros leaving the game? I dunno man. I don’t have answers for this one.
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Specifically talking about newbros here they don’t really have the trained skills nor knowhow nor financial backing to participate in a war against combat veterans. Not every corp can provide SRP and whatnot and even if their corp does a still one sided conflict might not be the kind of fun for many or even most newbros who rather learn the game and establish themselves to develop their EVE career to the point they can perform their chosen playstyle, which might not involve PvP as a focus.
I think for actual new players who want to learn the current system provides the chill enough but not entirely safe still environment to grow until they can partake in such in the future when they are actually ready and can have at least a slight chance to actually fight back if that is what they choose.
Though ofc the system is not perfect but still the best so far. Just like the bounty system not everything can be fixed nor be perfect so the next best thing should suffice until a solution is found and implemented. A different subject than OP brings up how the system could be made better but that is an entirely different topic altogether.
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The OP clearly says:
I am sorry. You lose. Accept it.
The OP said a lot of things. I addressed that one point. He had the facts wrong for that point. The correct facts change his issues substantially. Maybe even to the point its now good enough for him and CCP is good to go. Such is indicated in how he ended his OP, as quoted.
Yeah. I suggested a totally safe area in the center of New Eden while having all current security zones moved outward. That was met with screams and howls and nobody seems to even want to take a few hours to ponder the massive potential of that base idea compounded with all the other little possible changes to make that work.
People are hooked on the daft idea that if you want someone to learn to swim you just chuck them into the deep end and they will figure it out.
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You confuse this for a competition. As such I accept your surrender.
Again OP’s entire OP is pointless, the wardec mechanics is good as it is he just needs to man up and start suicide ganking. His problem is not the wardec system nor the requirement to dec anyone as even then he can’t kill the people he wants as he can only dec the holding corp which he admitted. You ignore this because it makes you lose the arguments which you seem to take personally and can’t let it go. OP just wants easy kills and even if he could wardec for 1 ISK would not help him because he can not wardec the corp players are in he can only dec the holding corp for the structure.
You badly need this:
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No. You confuse the figurative for the literal.
No. HIs problem is that he is unclear about the rules and mechanics, and he therefore cannot properly make his own damn decision about how HE WANTS TO PLAY.
He seems clear to me he just doesn’t like that he can’t dec people and when pointed out to him what he asks for will change nothing as his ability to shoot the people he wants to shoot will still be restricted to suicide ganking he acknowledges it and still insists on the same idea that he himself admitted will not solve his problem.
There is nothing here really the thread is over people advised OP and it falls on deaf ears.
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So why do you want to farm them?
If you are so eager to pew pew then go where the action is and you may run into a worthy opponent.
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If you want constant pvp go invade Fraternity space, wanna support goons go to 1DQ. Why care about ganking people in high sec?
they where not leaving “because of a wardec” they where because they got farmed and hunted non stop over and over. and you want to new players without experience and with low wallet to fight against a well stabilished wardec Corp with veterans and resources? yeah players left a lot. I been there almost left myself after 90% of my newbie Corp leave the game. I stayed cause I’m f. space game addicted also moved to nullsec . so yeah it is the right game for them and say " if they don’t fight back this is not the game for them " is just not fair.
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You will be war eligible that way (others may declare war on you) , at best you can assist in a war , but you won’t be able to declare war yourself as for that, you need a war hq under the form of an Upwell structure, a functional one with a core.
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Well, I joined Eve university when I was about 2 weeks old (this was before the war deck changes). So, I actually spent most of my time as a newbro under constant war dec (usually by 2 or 3 groups at a time). Moreover, they didn’t just hunt us along the trade routes or whatnot; they’d actually come and visit us all the time (Eve uni is big, so we likely provided a target rich environment for them). I guess it was kind of like getting flung into the deep end, but Eve University always made me feel like I was in control of my successes and failures. I don’t know if they still do it, but they used to make us type up what we learned on every one of our losses on their corp killboard. If nothing else, it made me feel like I was responsible for my losses -which meant that I capable of putting an end to my feeding. And so I made it my mission to learn. Of course, I learned several lessons the hard way, but I did learn, and I did stop feeding.
I dunno man. I feel like it has more to do with attitude and determination, than it does with whether or not HS PvP corps actively hunt you or not.
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you where in a big group not a newbro Corp …that’s diff
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As one of the most valuable, informative and sensible posters on this board (I mean you, not me) I am aghast that in your conclusion you don’t even mention the solid value of an established and experienced support system of a corporation. Are you really going to put attitude and determination ahead of that???
Aghast.
Gobsmacked.