This is a lie. Multiple round trials have in fact happened. And the vaccines that were approved passed the trials.
I’m pretty sure I read about a couple of cases where they found people were allergic during that human trial.
They did, but that is not a covid-specific thing. It is a rare reaction to one of the non-active ingredients in one of the vaccines, and if you’re at risk for that reaction you can get one of the vaccines that doesn’t have that particular ingredient.
They would have limited interaction and exposure.
IOW, you would abuse your child by isolating them from the world. Thank god you don’t have kids.
We need the riddler for that one.
Or we just need to understand the situation. None of the questions you’re raising are difficult to answer, you are just determined to remain ignorant so you can justify refusing the vaccine.
multiple Limited human trials. They were approved for emergency use, not full approval. Science is still being done. It should take years for final approval.
I think we both agree that it’s good I am not a parent. However, I would mention that isolation is not abuse. We’re in a pandemic. Isolation is the norm.
Homeschooled children are isolated, perhaps to a lesser extent. They seem to perform well.
You’re right, none of the questions I am asking are difficult to answer. However, some of them do require more in depth explanation. For example, how will 2 masks work better?
I could reasonably assume that they’re more targeting people that make or buy masks that are thin? I honestly havent read up on it, as it doesn’t appear to apply to my particular situation.
As for your comment about having to justify refusal of a vaccine; I don’t have to justify it. Last I checked, I lived in a country that allows me to choose what goes into my body, unless I willingly sign a contract for enlistment into an organization with requirements on the matter.
I am explaining myself to you because I am interested in the conversation and reactions.
I had been lucky i guess … my brother might be one of these kids but… my country was one of very very few countries in world wide … ( i think 2-3) doesnt allow this medicine thanks to that days minister and outstanding doctor who specialised in area …
My country still very carefull about this vaccine … so i am too…
Can you provide credible analysis from experts in the field stating that there are still questions that need answering, or is this just your non-expert opinion that there is some vague undefined “more” that needs to be done?
We’re in a pandemic. Isolation is the norm.
No, isolation is not the norm. Isolation is a temporary “lesser of two evils” situation that is not sustainable and comes at a high price. That is not at all the same as you indefinitely isolating your (thankfully hypothetical) kids because you’ve decided that they don’t need social interaction.
They seem to perform well.
They really don’t. Homeschooled kids, especially the highly isolated “homeschool to keep our kids away from everything Jesus hates” sort, commonly have major problems when they go out into the real world.
For example, how will 2 masks work better?
Because more layers to block particles means lower transmission rates. It’s not complicated.
(Two masks would not be necessary if you have one mask with an equivalent level of protection, but many/most people are using single-layer masks that allow a non-trivial level of particles to pass through.)
I don’t have to justify it.
Legally? No. But you sure do have to justify it if you don’t want everyone to think you’re a covidiot. Otherwise you’re on the same level as the people insisting that they don’t have to wear a seatbelt because YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO ITS A FREE COUNTRY.
They’ve gone through Phase 1, 2 & 3 trials which is what the FDA requires before approval. As far as I know there is no prescribed time limit for those trials as long as they meet the requirements.
Norway I believe. Someone linked an article earlier. 23 out of 30,000. And as you said, no confirmed link to the vaccine. 19 were from a nursing home and they gave statistics on the death rate in nursing homes. Basically a very small percentage even if linked to the vaccine - 0.07%.
Bad science ignores a lot. I’ll go out on a limb to say that while this was done quickly I have a hard time believing sloppy mistakes were made, which is what you seem to imply. I’m not aware of any long term risks from the flu shot. Something which changes every year, yet we don’t get up in arms about that. Because we have a body of knowledge in how the vaccines work, so we can streamline the process. This is a new technology used to create this vaccine, but the scientists can infer many things and draw on past experiences allowing them to create a safe vaccine. Vaccines are perhaps the most regulated and stringently tested medicines we have. And they work
WHO - "Once vaccines start being administered, national authorities and WHO constantly monitor for – and establish the severity of – any possible adverse side effects and responses from people who have received the vaccine. The safety of the vaccine is paramount, with regular assessments and post-approval clinical studies to report on its safety and effectiveness.
Studies are often conducted to determine how long a given vaccine remains protective."
And what’s your point? This is an indefinite monitoring process that is done for every vaccine, there is no end point to it. If you are waiting for this to finish then you will never get any vaccine.
How long do you think vaccines that had mercury in there was claimed as safe? Tested, clinical trials, approved. Turns out not so safe, years later.
Why?
Because the science was still being done.
Slightly unrelated, there was a diet drug in the 90’s approved, turns out was killing people. No longer approved.
Why?
Because the science was still being done.
Approval is not a high enough standard for me. History shows us that really, unless it’s absolutely necessary for your immediate survival, you really should wait a few years to find out if it will give you dementia or kill you. That’s just sort of my thought on it though.
For the first 10 or so years, even after approval, you’re a guinea pig.
By that standard the science is always “still being done”. You can never accept any treatment or vaccine because someday it might turn out to be a health issue. No amount of time will ever be sufficient.
For the first 10 or so years, even after approval, you’re a guinea pig
That’s not entirely true. I feel somewhat safe to take a vaccine after the first million or so people die of old age without any side effects.
huh. guess that means all those nameless people do play a role in my life. See, this is why I like debate, I learn about myself and others.
So, like I said, you will never accept any treatment or vaccine. Your standard will never be met because even if you can get a sample of 1 million deaths from old age you won’t be able to confirm that no side effects happened.
I suppose you’re not completely wrong. I don’t take flu shots either. This has really only been a consideration for me in the last 5 or so years.
Prior to that, I was either military or a corrections officer, and I was required to take vaccines, including the flu shot.
Perhaps it’s part of my particular mental disorder, but I’ve come to realize that I don’t particularly trust authority. I think it’s more to do with being lied to.
They told us that what we were doing was for the good, and that we were helping people. Experience proved otherwise.
Also, to your previous comment about the mercury in vaccines.
You actually were begging, but this is in the Out of Pod Experience… The ONLY place anything regarding life outside of EVE can exist, and even though some comments (mine included) were borderline comments, its still a peaceful conversation for the most part.
It is a good example of medical applications which doesnt longitudinal tested… so if somthing havent been tested and results observed enough long time… you cant be sure their long term effects on body .
