Did she not agree with blowing them up? Or did she not agree with all of the pointless nattering on about it in threads here?
The latter is the former, after all.
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Nobody cares, Diana. Shut up.
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According to official report from Kahah, there was no âslaughterâ, all these âmillions deadâ are nothing but inane insinuations of gallentean propagandists who didnât even had access to the factual information about what was going on the ground.
So, instead of dumbifying yourself by listening to brainmelting gallente ânewsâ machine, take the information right from the first hand source. Just look at all these terrorists who were so dumb to fall for this and came to invade Khanid to âsave their people from slaughterâ!
Gallente media is guilty in that for spreading this nonsence. They are our enemy, and against them we all shall stand together. They make conflict out of nothing, just like Blood Raiders did when they attacked Kahah.
That. Thatâs what they are. The claims of one of the Khanid officers running things on the ground while the Queen was hiding so she could stage her ârescueâ.
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A few. But realistically, not very many at all, no. So yes, we knew that by our actions, we were condemning innocent people to die. I wonât pretend otherwise. But please donât think any of us were at all happy about it.
Was anything at all about what happened that day at Kahah good? No. I wish we could have found some other way. But ultimately, just as when your family is attacked, when your home is attacked, you have no choice but to act.
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Nobody cares, Arrendis.
Shut up.
Then tell Lord âI spoke to the King personallyâ there not to claim he did âeverything in [his] power to save as many lives as possibleâ.
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Now, if youâd done it without giant attention-piles and threadnaughts, perhaps thereâd be something to it, but the only thing you lot even did was encourage him. Making the citadels and towers the price he had to pay to get what he wanted was the mistake. Simply making it a price to pay, with nothing gained, would have been something entirely different.
⌠of course, more importantly, if youâd actually done something before he set those things up, you wouldnât have had to in the first place.
You know, like how we did it.
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Wonder how the crews of so many fleet typhoons felt when you were doing everything you could just to make a statement.
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Well, I wasnât flying a Fleet Typhoon that day, Iâd transferred mine to someone else the night before. I was flying a logistics-fitted Leshak, and the crew of that ship were doing everything they could to actually keep people alive, not just make a statement. And they kept doing it, even when we started taking fire from the Khanid fighters.
And⌠didnât the UâK fleet hold the field after the PIE and Khanid forces destroyed an unarmed ship, a couple of T1 support cruisers, and made a break for it?
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Yâall might want to read the news before continuing this âdebate.â
Not that I expect what follows reading said news to be less absurd.
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We read it. Not exactly much ânewsâ there, beyond the Khanid sources being delightfully inconsistent.
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Read it. Already pointed out that the Queenâs openly contradicting the numbers for just the first two days given by the ground officers who had the operational command and accurate bodycounts.
Soooo, yeah. Queenâs full of crap. Anyone really gonna say sheâs not?
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Iâm happy for the Admirals Consorts full recovery and hope we can avoid repeating these events.
PIE did not shoot the freighter. Only the Khanid Aeon did.
Amarrian loyalist forces were involved in the destruction of two Exequrors and two Typhoons before the frieghter was destroyed.
Once it had been removed, the Amarrian forces left the field as the objective had been completed and further violence was unnecessary. Several Amarrian pilots chose to return to do further battle of their own volition.
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Yes, we have a report from a commander with likely Blood Raider connections who is absolutely in love with edgy rhetoric vs a Grand Admiral of the Khanid Navy.
But by all means, absolutely trust the Khanid who supported Edeity and threatened to torture Samira to death and to behead me mere days before these deathglow attacks began. Sounds like an absolutely credible source.
We donât know what happened down there. Zidarez could be lying, perhaps, but she is certainly has access to more information about the overall situation than Chakaid does.
Even if Chakaid wasnât a reprehensible excuse for a Holder, in a disaster of this scale, eyewitness reports are never reliable for casualty estimates.
My most likely to be true scenario is currently that the situation represents a major terrorist attack by the Blood Raiders that Chakaid tried to turn into a full blown genocide.
Zidarezâ survival seems to have short stopped his attempts at doing so, If they had succeeded in killing her, I would be far more inclined to believe the attempts to interpret this as another Arzad II. His rhetoric did seem to successfully spark a major capsuleer led atrocity, though, so he succeeded in that much.
But I wouldnât give that scenario more than a 1 in 3 likelyhood. Throughout this my whole point has been that we donât know enough to act effectively to make things better, but do know enough to make things worse.
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So what I believe you are trying to say; you were not directly responsible and therefore did everything you could to preserve life?
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Yes, we have a report from a Blooder with independent corroboration, vs a Grand Admiral who was incommunicado at the time, claims to have been injured in non-dangerous ways during a chemical attack, and is drastically deviating from all of the other reporting from multiple sources.
Including actively working to preserve the lives of those trying to save lives. I didnât just whine about âdoing all I couldâ while supporting the people slaughtering millions.
Iâm no angelic figure of benevolence. Iâve done my share of enabling the wholesale slaughter of millions. But I own my monstrosity. I donât wring my hands and say âoh, itâs so terrible that the people I helped to do this did exactly what they said they were doingâ. They did what they did, and they did it, in part, because I helped make it possible.
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It would have been relatively simple for SFRIM to simply not show up. After all, the Khanid havenât asked for assistance and have turned away anyone trying to help. Thereâs no reason SFRIM had to be there other than they chose supporting Khanid butchery over what was right. And for the record, I am concurring with Ms. Kernher in her comments to Mr. Avarr.
Then why did you do it? This wasnât an attack on your family, this was a butchery by the Khanid on innocent people. If my family, which I love dearly, chose to do some evil and atrocious act, and for some reason I chose not to stop them, I would not get in the way of someone who was trying to stop them.
I feel like itâs pretty difficult to go from millions to a few hundred thousand. Yes, if that is the final number, which I seriously doubt, then I will have to reconsider my words, actions, and thoughts about this matter. I am not a naif who believes that it is a moral atrocity to defend oneâs self from an attack. The enslavement of the Matari is a grave sin and an offence against everything good in this cluster, but I do not expect the Khanid to just roll over and die when judgement comes for them.
I will still be upset, but I will apologize for my rhetoric. Though, this is predicated on the queenâs words being the truth. I remain skeptical.
As for Arzad II, that planet has a name: Starkman Prime.
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When two interest groups give wildly opposing figures, truth is likely in the middle. And itâs not just those two, but independent humanitarian organizations that estimate the death toll to between 2-9 million.
Even if the lowest cited number were true, it would not make the Khanid willingness to bombard thousands of innocent bystanders to get a handful of poorly armed insurgents, any less horrific.
Then again, Amarrian propensity to respond with excessive cruelty and force to slave revolts is well documented.
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