The OP was discussing points that might or might not be reasons why a new player should not play EVE. AFK cloaking is surely not a reason for either, so keep it out of this thread.
I mean I wonât go into how game breaking a cloak timer would be for extended wormhole trips and stuff like that.
The extra power of cloaking is offset by the relative harmlessness of the covert capable ships. This has been literally discussed to death and the consensus is that cloaks are fine. This is not just AFK cloakers defending their strategy. Look to any of the other looong threads for as much input as you need as to why AFK cloaking is fine and cloaks are in a good place balance wise.
If youâre going to mention cynos you have to include the fleet that gets dropped through it in your risk vs reward assessment. Itâs not risk free to drop an expensive fleet through a cyno to kill a single ratter, even if the hunter scanned you ârisk freeâ.
People who believe that are not a benefit to the community.
Ok. I mean when Iâm not here helping to remove the mortally offended I bet I do more for the community than you ever have 
How many hundreds of buddy trials have you successfully taught to enjoy EvE and keep playing? How many years have you spent answering the same questions over and over in Rookie Help? How much of your income do you give back to the community? 1 Billion a month? 5 Billion?
Do tell me more about how I donât benefit the community 
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I think you are super x
Iâve had many friends start playing with recent update and they are all Alphaâs and having a blast however the knew Eve was a sandbox game before starting so they knew they would not get their hands held and walked through some sort of story.
From what you say it sounds like you prefer games that are story driven and solo based with an online chat/co-op options and if thats the case then yeah eve is not going to be for you as its a true old school MMO where playing and interacting with others is optional but better if you do.
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I actually think itâs best time for a new player to try eve since the alpha skill set got increased and most of the old players youâll encounter are pretty chill.In fact as it stands now Iâd advice new players to make for any of the big new player friendly groups for the best experience a wide-eyed newbie can have.
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The problem is⌠there is not that much walking to be done past the kindergarden. Take any mass pvp activity in nulls, and youâll see a hundreds of people roaming empty spaces for hours and, at best, pressing 2-3 keys on fleetcomâs demand cycling through items in overview. Eve is rather peculiar game specimen where the most fun youâll get lies in preparations. Oh, itâs extremely fun to play with fittings in a fitting tool. Itâs just very boring when you fly this ship in actual battle. Then you often just want to be killed asap so you could watch some movie and try to save this evening.
Is it sort of future you should look forward to while you are a cadet with alpha clone? I very much doubt so. Eve is a game, first of all. It must be fun to play for everybody, be you are a lone wolf interested in PvE mostly, or a born leader. Itâs not the only sandbox out there. And you know what? There are a tons of sandboxes which are a joy to play, every minute of them. Donât make bad game design an excuse and sign of âhardcorenessâ
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Can you tell me other open world pvp sandbox MMOs where people arenât actually isolated and restricted in their freedom to do whatever they want, without having to visit zones to be able to shoot people, steal and ransom from them?
Thanks! I will put time into reading about them!
Do you find some kind of solace in re-iterating this marketing slogan? 
What is important for me is whether itâs fun or not to actually play it as a regular player (not as a leader of alliance or a fleatcom, or a owner of huge production empire - i.e. local iconic activities where most sandboxing happens - but as a regular player not aiming at any kind of greatness). And unless you find activities I described in the previous post thrilling, the answer is no. Thatâs what really is important, and, imo, the top priority issue CCP should act upon if they indeed look into how to increase retention rate of old and new players altogether.
I was asking a question directly related to your comment.
I did not parrot marketing slogans. What i said mirrors the reality of this game and other games. Do you have an answer, or was it just the same blabla like the blabla of all the other people?
You said:
I want to check them out.
So? Name these so called sandbox MMOs that actually deserve the name, please.
I never said they were MMO, just sandboxes. I donât see any reason to be overly-fixed on MMO part, though. The core reason why we have fun in games is that their gameplay captivates our mind, right? You donât play games just because of some elegant reasons? If you need to chat folks while playing, you can have irc client open in a separate window, you know.
So what I meant were sandbox games with extremely well designed game mechanics and a lot of variety packed in (most of the time due to the game world is dynamically generated each time you start a new session) which are capable to keep you interested for months/years. Dwarf fortress, Rimworld and, letâs say, Space Station 13 and Arma 3 (if you really insist on multiplayer being available) are good examples.
Okay! I donât see how they compete with EVE, but i guess theyâre options for all of those who should leave EVE for simpler games. Thanks!
Sorry, editted.
Itâs all good, iâll check out the multiplayer ones. 
They compete for your limited free personal time like literally any other activity out there, say, like having sex with your gf or riding a bicycle. Unless youâre chained to a pipe in some basement, or disabled in some way, you have tons of options of fun activities, including any other of hundreds thousands games, some of them are sandboxes with much more fun packed per minute, some of which are MP sandboxes (not MMO, though). So, you have to choose. And why exactly you need to choose a game in which youâll need to press 2-3 keys in some boring mindnumbing multi-hours mass pvp event, while you could play some other, much more fun and thrilling game, exactly? Just becauseâŚit has greater players count per location?
Ah, stop it parasol. He messed up by talkign about niche games (sandbox MMOs are rare, even MMOs are rare), but heâs right that EVE is not alone in the world against other games which arenât jerks towards the players.
EVE attracts a very specific type of player, and of that minority only a minority will accidentally come to enjoy the long term game. Thatâs a virtue in terms of loyalty, but unless CCP earned more money from players as they progressed, it canât beat the need to attract new types of players to expand the loyal base and compensate the natural loss of players.
EVE doesnât does that and thus other games are better option to try instead of EVE. FAI, the person who asked me about EVEâs F2P is playing Fortnite in battle royale mode. All the fun and none the hassle.
Guys, stop, itâs all good. As i said iâm going to take looks at them. ⌠and i will not come back and make threads/posts about the differences etc. 
Oh look an oxymoron.
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I wonât solve this riddle for you, Ramona. You must learn to at least chew your food yourself if you hope to survive in this harsh information age.
This is not a reason not to try it some ppl like not being stuck at one niche with mind open enough it can be years until new player hit stagnation.
Against omega probably
All alphas are on lvl plainfield against another alpha.
Plexing with alpha is gonna be for few not manny,if one of my alts can fund my main omega status or twoâŚwell lol i am all in.
There are zero reasons why new player shouldnt try it and decide for him self.
You have good points just not reasons not to try something.
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