The context was to try EVE vs trying something else, what drawbacks haves EVE compared to other games. Low initial retention is a given, but what I wanted to warn him against was middle term retention, reaching the point you’re enjoying the game, mastering your daily routine and feeling good, and then turns you comitted yourself to a cul-de-sac.
Everyone knows fleet PvP is boring. If you want your fit to make a difference you need to use it in a smaller group or solo.
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So, you don’t see some kind of a problem when “end-game”, iconic PvP activity in the game is unconditionally acknowledged as boring? Would you mind to tell about this to all those ppl who keep blabbering about those pesky carebears who are supposedly just too risk-averse and unenlightened, thus don’t want to go sharing their glorious null sec game experience, because hurr-durr PvP is so much fun and the way Eve should be played, btw?
Defined as “end-game” by who?
Unconditionally acknowledged as boring by who?
Who is blabbering about risk averse, unenlightened carebears?
Glorious nullsec game experience in whose opinion?
This isn’t one person, nor a consensus among the playerbase
It’s a mashed set of a whole lot of different opinions as though they represent facts of a large portion of the playerbase.
They aren’t in anything I’ve read over the years.
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CCP, to name one. It’s proclaimed as one of core Eve’s selling features all over their advertisement materials.
By the guy above who said so, for example. By me as well. By the fact there is a well-know derogatory term which goes as “F1 monkey”. But just out of curiosity: you do believe that gameplay consisting of selecting thingies in some list and pressing a couple of buttons when instructed by fleetcom, for hours is thrilling?
A half of l33t PeeveePee population of those forums, on regular basis.
Sure, still it’s a very popular opinion.
So, by no single person/group with all those opinions.
Like I wrote above. It’s a mash of lots of different people/groups opinions and presented as though it’s some sort of consensus.
You just demonstrated that It isn’t.
Well after almost fourteen years of playing EVE (actually I haven’t logged in for quite file) I find it very annoying that they (CCP) do not remake missions!
Walls in space? COME ON!
Dangerous gas in space? OMFG!
PVE content is the boring thing that most of EVE players have to do in order to buy and fit ships for PVP, and content being over DECADE old makes it even worse.
They have been remaking ships and stations, but not even a slightest bit of manhours have been used to remake missions (textures, opponents, logic etc).
Because missions are the second worst thing to do?
Lets face it when you are soloing them in your marauder do you really give a crap what they look like?
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He perhaps should have been emphasized they need total overhaul of their logic, first of all. Yes, spending time on revamping their visuals/story while leaving gameplay “as is” is totally wasted developers time.
I’m not offended, just disappointed that a troll joking about dying of cancer is considered by CCP to be acceptable discourse on their public forums, and disappointed that other players would agree with them.
I would never question the stupidity of other games. However, in EVE you have to visit zones to shoot people, not because mechanics prohibiting you to do it anywhere else, but because the space is so large that you can run around for an hour not meeting anyone and on top of that the methods of forcing other players into PVP are very limited. If you look for interesting fights you have to roam around and hope to a) find someone, b) they don’t hide, c) they don’t make the fight boring by vastly overpowering you. EVE is much more of a political simulation in which Ship vs. Ship PVP plays a strategic role, not the other way aorund.
There is no true Sandbox out there. EVE is kind of sandboxy in certain ways, but overall is much more of a progression-style game. The progression though, doesn’t come so much from Character development, apart from Skillpoints, but rather from the need to evolve your gameplay. While EVE provides different options to do so, most of them have strong limitations on the player. The one thing that is not progression based is social interaction with others, joining or forming groups and thereby changing at least the political landscape. Though, that is something you can probably do in other games as well. Also even that is somewhat limited by mechanics, just as a solo player would be.
PVE is absolutely not sandboxy, neither is Industry. Anything useable in terms of ships or modules is not sandbox-like. There are hardcoded mechanics for almost everything, even specific ways of how to form groups in game. On top of that CCP constantly intervenes in the game mechanics like gods, so there is an active balance in the game. Again, there is no true sandbox out there, so we would always have to deal with a hybrid model. I think EVE is currently not doing a very good job at it and it hurts to say that.
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If he was joking about dying of alcoholism or obesity or something I bet you wouldn’t be so offended.
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If you really think that the reaction would not be the same, there is something fundamentally wrong with you. On top of that, you thinking this would be about feeling offended. I’m not sure what did this, but somewhere along the way of your life you have lost the thing people call heart. Maybe it was your own fault, maybe not. You are a pitiful creature and one can only hope that somehow you get better.
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Everyone that likes space sims should try EVE.
If they dont like it, ok.
If they do, welcome to the family.
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Perhaps when you’ve matured a little more you’ll understand the difference between finding something unacceptable and being offended.
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I’m sorry you’re so offended by the words. I’m an adult who can read something and not take it to heart. Cancer isn’t special, it’s just a normal thing that happens and it’s ok to be light hearted about it and anything else.
There is nothing less mature than an adult wanting protecting from words and ideas. Pathetic.
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You wish I were offended, but as I said, I just pity you. You’re trying to play the punk being so omg shocking, fishing for attention, feeling self-worthy if you can convince yourself someone was enraged by what you said. It’s the 2nd most boring form of humor. It’s okay to do it for a while, normally during puberty, but when you don’t rise above it, it usually means that the development of your personality stopped at a certain point. More often than not it happens to people who dont manage to emancipate themselves from their parents in a healthy way.
Mate you’re obviously offended by something look at your posts. I didn’t even write the cancer bit, you’ve just focused your millenial beam on me because I don’t agree with you. Please give me some more amateur basement psychology while you try to turn the world into a censored safe-space to protect your fragile construct 
Ive cared for many terminal/dying patients.
Several have died as I was at their side, holding their hand, and nothing could prevent it.
I can say outright they dont give a damn what somebody says on an EVE forum.
This thread is going way off-topic and in a bad way.
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Sorry, still not offended. At least try harder if you want to be a punk. Oh and you starting to be so cute. Learned a lot of tools how to speak, from the ones who tell you your opinion, yeah? So, tell me, matey, how much of a victim of these censoring, millenial, safe-spacers are you exactly? How much did they hurt you? Are you super angry because you do not get what you think you deserve? Did that girl in high school not look at you? Did no one see the great thinker you really, really are? Does it make you sick to the bones, that people don’t think of you as an authority over their life? How much does all of that hurt you, little man?