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Or that, with a philosophy of constantly proving oneself, they choose not to, because to go elsewhere would be admitting they couldn’t prove themselves.

Let’s not even get into that until we can actually have a consensus about our own gender organization, hmm?

AND THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT CONVERSATION, SO DON’T GO TRYING TO HAVE IT. IT WILL ONLY MAKE A MESS.

No, I’m going off the fact that we don’t see any Triglavian residential infrastructure.

Similar to the Mannar as well.

So far, I actually like the Triglavians. I mean, do we really have any reason not to?

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Well, there are some folks who’d say that under the emetive[1] property of politics, they’re allied with the Amarr, and that’s reason enough to oppose them. Personally, though, I’ve never really subscribed to that principle.

I do question them letting a bunch of bloodthirsty, reckless, immature maniacs play with weapons technology they don’t understand. That’s kind of a big ‘uhmmm, should we really trust their judgment here?’ but otherwise, they seem ok.


  1. The emetive, or EMEtive property of politics, aka the ‘Enemy of My Enemy’ property, which would hold that since they’re at war with the group that blew up the Amarr Empress, they’re naturally aligned with the Amarr Empire.

I believe the Triglavian ships within the abyss have been corrupted. The Triglave word for ship is “Narodyna” according to the broadcast:

The Deviant Automata must conform or be extirpated. - I presume this to mean deviant drones.

The Corrupted Narodyna must be extirpated. - read: corrupted ships

Human Augmented Narodyna must prove the direction of their Flow. - read: human augmented ships

I feel this demonstrates their civility. Their home has been overun, and now they’ve invoked the “Caldistic Proving” or the “Abyss Sites” to test our fitness to enter the flow of Vyraj.

Now would be a good time to begin collecting the materials held within the bio-caches within the abyss. I feel a door is about to open…

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As a correction, Narodnya refers to human people or bodies - the datastreams thus far demonstrate as much, and the broadcast says the same. Hivelinked Foreign Narodnya are Sansha, and Augmented Foreign Narodnya are us in our capsules - which they call “command nuclei”.

I’m eager to see where this proving may take us all, however - if the Triglavians begin to accept outside help in their war, the Drifters may have to adapt as well.

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Correction taken. Thank you Uriel.

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Sansha may be called “Hivelinked Foreign Narodnya”, but here they are indeed called “Corrupted Narodnya”.
This sounds, like they don’t like, what the Sansha are doing to the ‘Narodnya’.

Sansha use Jovian style implant tech, which appears to be what they mean by hivelinking, but to control people. To me, that sounds like its a clear case of corruption.

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Well … only, the capsule rig is a Jovian-style implant, Mr. Kaugan. They don’t appear to consider us hivelinked, just “augmented.”

Apparently you don’t get the hivelink without linking to something like a hive mind.

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Not a hive mind, a hive. The Sansha is similar in that it has a central control unit.

This part makes me think that “Flow of Viraj” are Nexus thingies in Drifter Wormholes. Which means Drifters Wormholes are “Ancient Domains”. Remember Nexus room looked different when it was first discovered. Something catastrophic happened there the next day after discovery. Thus Drifters “corrupted the Flow”, i.e. destroyed or damaged the gates to Domain of Buyan. Does that make any sense?

Capsuleers must choose a side. Or rather Triglavians are yet to decide are we a threat for them.

Did anyone try playing around with Coalesced Element in Nexus room recently?

out of pod

If this refers to Abyss PVP I’m done with EVE lore.

We generally hit the Drifter complexes about twice a month. Normally checking everything we can. Nothing has changed.

It’s a helm, Ms. Jeneth. There’s no way to say does the head belong to one human, three humans or there are three thousands of them, all in same helmets.

Somehow I think about Sansha Nation, considering they are going all against “hivelinked” deviants.

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Have been thinking about it some more. I’m now convinced that Flow of Viraj are Triglavian Proving Conduits (PVP Rooms) and there is no connection in this message to Drifter Wormholes whatsoever as I hastily assumed.

But then I don’t see any new info in this message except:

The Ancient Domains beyond the Flow of Vyraj were lost to us. Intruders in the Ancient Domains corrupted the Flow. Intruders seek to corrupt the Flow of Vyraj and the Domain of Buyan.

So Ancient Domains are most likely Abyssal pockets. If Proving Conduits are Flow of Vyraj, then Domain of Buyan must be a place we have not seen yet.

We know who intruders are, The Ancient Enemy Azdaja The Drifters, The Deviant Automata Rogue Drones, The Corrupted Narodyna must be extirpated. Sansha, Human Augmented Narodyna us.

It’s been a long time since I went to Abyss myself, but I don’t remember seeing Sansha in Abyss.

No the images of Sansha ships in the message correlates with the audio talking about Corrupted Narodnya but to be honest, it doesn’t look like any of the Abyss I have seen. It may be that Sansha have been able to use their incursion technology to access the Triglavian homelands.

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Someone tried a Phantasm in the Abyss, and the Trigs decided to spy on New Eden to figure out WTF that was. Then they saw the Sansha and said ‘oh, hell no. English muffins or GTFO. Screw these toasters.’

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I have noticed a change within the Abyss in the last 24 hours. Yesterday I was still able to interact with the Bioadaptive cache and exchange the triglavian trinary survey databases for triglavian trinary datastreams.

Today that is no longer possible. Has anyone else noticed the same or other changes?

Update:
It seems that you now need to be in close proximity and send a correct sequence of signals. This should allow the exchange to be possible.
The correct sequence of signals is still unknown to me at this point but perhaps this could be part of what is being referred to with proving our direction of Flow?

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It seems to be broken and I opened some Data Cache’s from earlier missions, only got Survey Databases, no datastreams.