We used to patrol the Jita-Amarr route and we would leave a long line of logged off Tornado gankers behind us. I used to patrol at times with Hazan Koraka and so many gankers would log off when he was around.
Exactly, and why do people still say, you canāt do something is beyond me.
The issue is with the excessive multi-boxers such as Kusion and AE. Not long before I stopped playing I along with two or three others spent a couple of days on Kusion and we reduced his ganking, though we could not stop him completely. He would go afk then would feint to the wrong gate and so on. This was especially difficult with fast warping gank ships. We were of course keeping tabs on his loot scoopers and suicide tackle, but he had so many of them he would often feint. We could only cover two out of the three gates with HICās in any case. Yes we reduced his ganking, which is a win in one sense, but we could not stop him completely.
When our own excessive multi-boxer was around our success rate was much greater, I think he managed to reduce his ganking by about 60-70% which is his estimate. In the couple of days me and two others went after Kusion we reduced his ganking by about that level and we nabbed at least five decent loot dropsā¦ He aborted about six times too.
I thought he was setting the AG record for toxicity, because he would out-cesspitt them all.
Those are really pro I know. Iām not stalking them anymore or long because they tend to turn against you (Kusion catched my Phobos once). But while I was doing I was always on the right gate before the hauler, there are usually only two gates.
But they are pros in scooping as well, so HICs are useless or only support. You need to have a spare ninja hauler sitting cloaked on each gate to scoop the loot before they can do, and a second to scoop its loot after it dies.
As AG you donāt need the gank squad but the same professional loot scoop setup (plus HIC support in case someone else steals the loot, btw, I see gankers have own support HICs now against the ninjas). Chances are equal because everybody can warp to the yellow wreck at the same point in time.
If gankers donāt get the loot 90% of the time this has consequences. The loot game is completely fair and skill based, everybody on grid has same chances. AG would have the advantage to not care about the actual value of the loot, if it is destroyed (trash before you die?).
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So then what are you complaining about? You won more than 50% of the time. Do you think that ganking isnāt balanced until you have a 100% success rate at stopping it?
Pretty much that, an excellent summary. Loot denial is the only valid strategy, and it is effective. The issue we had was that I was able to cover two of the three gates in Uedama with a HIC, but I only had one player dong the loot scooping and he was also acting as scout too with the loot scooper. If we had more people loot scooping then he would have been blocked.
However step back a bit, that is a pretty extensive investment in time and effort against two people who are effectively no-lifers.
If I could develop a team of people who were committed to have no life to counter multi account solo gankers then I could beat them yes. But you have to be relentless and be very used to just sitting around doing nothing in game for long periods. If you think that this is easy to do then think again.
Again, whatās your point? Why are you entitled to win when you admit that you arenāt dedicated to winning? Gankers have more dedication, they win more often. Everything is working just fine.
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Thatās the point. Iām doing it mostly in Forge because I can babysit my market stuff while watching for suspects. The loot pay may help, if you can secure it, in finding people, doing it in shifts maybe?
Or you can just accept, that you donāt want to compete with no-lifers in a video game.
And interestingly enough, you cannot refrain from doing it in each and every postā¦
Youāve seen so many things you never provide evidence of, and then dodge the issue when evidence to the contrary is actually provided (which shouldnāt be necessary to begin with, since the onus of the proof is on you)ā¦
But I understand, I wouldnāt feel the need to provide any evidence of my claims either if I had the credibility that you have, Iād just assume everybody is gonna simply take my word for itā¦
You say this as if I had any obligation to ādevelopā them and to bear with any crap they wanted to throw at me, as if I was being paid for doing that or somethingā¦
BTW, Iām always calm and rational. Even when I start becoming abrasive, I do it calmly and rationally. I do take the time to decide how abrasive exactly do I want to be depending on the attitude I observeā¦
Youāre wrong again. That depends on the people. It does not make the wrong people (those that cannot stand the truth when it hurts) to realise anything, yes, but I donāt cater to that kind of people at all.
Telling the truth does always make the right people (those that can stand the truth when it hurts) to understand and learn to do things better. Actually, I made some AG friends precisely for being like that there.
Youāve never understood this because the truth has no value for you at all, and hence you always base what you think is right or wrong on some other considerationsā¦
What it proves is that Iām not up to educate them the way youād like them to be educated, which I feel repugnance forā¦
I wanted them to understand why there is no point in bragging about those kills, not merely tell them off without understanding why, like youāre trying to make it lookā¦
LOL. You donāt understand a thing. You donāt want to understand a thingā¦
It has absolutely nothing to do with myself. I replied the way I did, exactly like I did in this thread too, to help them understand why bragging about those kills is pointless and may make the gankers laugh at them when they do, but most importantly so they may learn to see for themselves when theyāre being effective and when not, and hence know when they need to do things better or differently if they do actually want to be effectiveā¦
LOL. Where have I said everything I say is sarcasm? I said that was sarcasm, which it obviously was. Why would I say Lucas does not want to change the game mechanics? Why would he be ranting about suicide ganking in each and every thread claiming itās āimbalancedā and whatnot if it wasnāt because he does want to change them?
Sorry, guys, but your inability to see what is sarcasm and what not, even in cases as clear as that, does not help your case, LOL.
Maybe if you werenāt so used to lie all the time, you wouldnāt feel this need to fool yourselves trying to ācatchā others lying too like you doā¦
That would be my issue IF it had happened, but it didnātā¦ You interpreting it that way or trying to make it look like it happened that way is your issueā¦ You making up stuff like that all the time and then failing to provide any evidence whatsoever is your issueā¦
Nope. I posted that because, as I said, I do consider the possibility that you may have some of those issues because of all the evidence, not just this incident, that indicates that could very well be the case. Your insistence that it might not be sarcasm, even after having carefully explained it was and why, does not help to make it look otherwiseā¦
By the very nature of their prey if we cannot be there for 100% of their play time, then they can win big time, I refer you to the DST I linked above and will link it here for good order.
That on its own negates all the success that we had if they had scooped it. It is an impossible battle to be blunt and not many have the mental toughness to keep turning out for it.
I should also point out that we have moved on from the concept of saving people and focussed on the end point of loot denial as the only way to compete against them. It is amusing that there is some sort of acceptance of that fact. AG has no chance unless they just focus on loot denial it is as simple as that.
The freighter on AP was suicide ganked, that was the looter of a local tornado ganker that got in on the loot when the main gankers hesitated and we killed him.
That wasnāt a suicide gank, though.
Finding the right people is difficult. Perhaps if I do come back I can hook up with you?
There is some truth in that.
Then why be in the AG chat channel when it was mainly made up of noobs coming there to rant a littrle after being ganked. Do you like inflicting pain on yourself?
Not sure I could accept that as true, you did admit to Ast that you were angry with some people.
Then why were you in the Ag chat channel when most of them were like that?
I know that you did, so what you alienated a lot more.
You donāt accept the damage that you did.
Then why be in that channel?
And you tried to do that at times, but you always started to get insulting as soon as they got defensive, it is lame behaviour on any one that wants to develop people.
Gankers get annoyed at people getting killmails on them with Concord, I have seen many ranting at it, no idea why, so it has value, there was also bounty too. There are many reasons to do it, most notably for fun.
I saw you do it multiple times.
See, you did do it for that, forum losers play the RU mad cardā¦
You were being sarcastic about what where?
No, it doesnāt work that way.
The way it works is you need to understand sarcasm first, which you apparently donāt and Iām starting to seriously doubt you ever will.
IF (big if) you did understand sarcasm, then yes, you could use it whenever you want too, BUT no, you would not get a free pass that way, because you would need to be consistent about it, not sure if you understand what that meansā¦
WTF are you on about now? Man, you have serious comprehension issues. Why would you feel the need to say that?
No, claiming something knowing it isnāt true is not automatically irony. What I quoted that made you reply with this nonsense is the (partial) definition of irony. I was merely explaining what irony is to you because itās often used in sarcasm and you seem to not know that eitherā¦
That would depend entirely on the context. There is no way to answer that question without a context. It could be a lie intended to harm my reputation (i.e. a libel). It could be a joke/irony/sarcasm if itās clear from the context that you expect others seeing it to not take it seriously and at least wonder whether youāre joking.
First off, I despise people like you and Dracvlad so much that I donāt expect nor care at all that you agree with me or accept my opinions or anything like that. Get that already.
The reason I argue with you is to let everyone else following the discussion see the āqualityā of rational analysis that youāre capable of. And if you make a fool of yourself like Dracvlad does all the time, you not so often, then all the better, the discussion then becomes hilarious and is a lot of funā¦
I think Iām objectively right because I form my opinions from the bottom up, by rationally analysing all the facts Iām aware of and seeing where that leads me, as opposed to start with an opinion based on feelings and then try to justify it with the āfactsā that match what I want to believe and ignoring the rest or not analysing them properly. There are many things I simply donāt have an opinion of for that very reason.
If I encounter a fact I hadnāt previously considered or hadnāt analysed properly which makes me change my opinion, then I change it, because itās in my best interest to be factually, objectively right, not to try to make everybody believe that Iām right when Iām notā¦
Now, if you feel the need to make up stuff, and in particular make false claims about me, to try to discredit me or to justify your inability to argue properly, then yes, Iāll call you out on that, and will most likely insult you too, but not for merely disagreeing with meā¦
Or if you do things like dodging the facts that donāt fit your narrative, or misrepresenting something I said to try to make it look like I said something else, or that new āstrategyā Dracvlad is using now of claiming I said something is wrong but then refusing to say what exactly it is, LOL, then yes, Iāll call you out on that too and tell you you have some intellectual shortcomings, which youāre clearly showing is the case when you do those thingsā¦
Now, you may ignore all those things you do and pretend I talk to you the way I do merely for disagreeing with me, but that does not make it trueā¦
ROFLMAO. That was in the same paragraph where I said I was being sarcasticā¦ It was all part of the same joke (which Iām gonna keep repeating every time I have the opportunity to do so, LOL)ā¦ And you use that as an example of me āblatantly lyingā in the very same post in which you claim this?
So let me get this straightā¦ Iām telling you youāre lying about me being a CODE alt all the timeā¦ I make a joke about that by doing the same to you, so you may better appreciate the gratuitousness and silliness of your claimā¦ And not only you donāt get the joke, but you even take that as āproofā that Iām lying and youāre not? 
Man, itās not that you havenāt lied. Itās that you have a pathological need to believe your lies because things wouldnāt make sense to you otherwise. Of course, you wonāt admit youāre lying precisely because of the need you have to believe those lies, but that doesnāt change the fact that you are lying. You just have a mental deficiency that prevents you from realising youāre doing it.
And itās not just me, Iāve seen you doing the same to others too. Youāll simply claim whatever you need to believe about them to discredit them or to ignore what theyāre saying because things wouldnāt make sense to you otherwiseā¦
Thatās not what the evidence suggests. Thatās what your perception of the evidence suggests to you, because you have decided to simply ignore the reasons why I consciously behave one way or another in each case, and in your case in particularā¦
Not at all. Again, every time I do that is because of some other reason than disagreeing with me, like making up stuff and lying about me or someone else the way you and Dracvlad do all the timeā¦
It is true, so neither.
You like to abuse and be abuses by people in the AG chat channel, it made you feel good.
Some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused.
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At first, obviously because I had a lot to learn myself and was interested in whatever might be discussed there.
With time it became about me trying to help others better understand what the game is about, how it all works, and contribute to people wanting to do AG to actually learn to fight the gankers in game instead of whining.
I wasnāt inflicting pain on myself. I had quite a few gankers convo me over the years wondering that too and asking why did I keep trying to educate people that was unable/unwilling to understand. My reply was always that I didnāt care about those ones, but rather about the others that might be there actually willing to learn and that would be left with all the crap that used to be there if I didnāt do that.
Donāt know what youāre talking about now, but anyway, Iām of course angry with some people sometimes, you being a good example, but that doesnāt change anything I said. What Iām saying is that I do still behave calmly and rationally when Iām angryā¦
Because of the ones that werenāt, of course. And because not everything is black and white, there is grey too.
I do accept and am proud of having damaged much of the toxicity that was there. That was intended.
I guess that would depend on what you consider ādefensiveā and āinsultingā.
If you mean I would tell them they were clueless or didnāt know what they were talking about when, after having already explained why their presence there made no difference to the outcome of the gank, they would still claim otherwise and that I had to be a ganker alt to say that, then yes, I was āinsultingā like that.
If you mean something else, then youāll have to explain better what it is exactly that you meanā¦
Again, Iāve always said there is nothing wrong with doing it for whatever reason one wants to do it, as long as one understands whatās really happening and doesnāt believe things that are falseā¦
You saw thisā¦ you saw thatā¦ You never provide any evidence of anything, just pretend we should take your word for it, which we already know how much itās worthā¦
Man, if youāre trying to discourage me or anyone from pointing out symptoms that are objectively an indication that you might have some issues, like not being able to understand sarcasm, by calling me a loser, it isnāt going to work.
Youād be better off either checking whether there is an actual reason of concern there or at the very least work on correcting those symptoms insteadā¦
The one with issues are more likely to be those who make a habit of declaring anyone who disagrees with them as mentally ill.
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Again, whatās your point? If you are not there 100% of the time why should you expect to be able to shut them down completely?
Doing nothing is difficult now? What has become of the world.
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