Are they really?
Not sure how much of the thread you read, but what I see is mostly in good fun or just plain arguments like you would want in a discussion forum.
The only two exceptions that really stand out are the OP and some other “PvE enthusiast” I will not name but should be pretty obvious (as I want to avoid once again triggering a toxic outburst), both getting quite insulting and personal multiple times.
It only seems like there’s a lot because 85% of them are actually alts. Those few people learned a long time ago how to meta-game the forums and will quickly call in back-up when needed. They probably stay in contact with each other on Discord.
Well, apparently this is what Destiny thinks WE, and especially I do…keep in touch via technology in order to meta-game and back each other up. From another thread:
Dude’s sending out mails to pals trying to get a face-saving circle-jerk off the ground … This is like the epitome of desperation.
I edited out a piece of nasty imagery.
I really don’t like to see people get so mad. But when someone and their pals come after you and your threads and the participants with so much unwarranted blind hate and intent to destroy, its also hard to care.
Not a big fan of Family Guy then? lmao
I wasn’t thinking of myself. Its just one thing of many you can’t understand about me.
You must be quite a big hit at parties.
I am not. Another thing you don’t understand about me is that I don’t aim to be.
Do you generally enjoy life?
Although I would have much prefered this thread to stay more or less on topic, and with calm representation from all sides, it is still a good but too short primer on who’s who on the forum and a record on how they behave, both in-game and on the forum. Also, a basis to form opinions on why they do this can be found.
Are there going to be repercussions? You know, for being terrible people in-game and on the forum.
I will neither waste my time nor spirit expecting or even hoping.
But I might hope for some AWAKENiNGS.
As in, you hope that some gankers are going to turn over a new leaf and start mining and running missions and advocating for the removal of high-sec PvP? And maybe start cussing out the griefers on the forums after they join up for the good fight?
No. I just want everyone to see what is going on so they can make informed decisions about their choices. Ganking may create a path to the dark side but griefing IS the dark side. Paths don’t need to be traveled.
Would you prefer that the dark side didn’t exist?
My answer to that question would be misinterpreted by you. I scarcely think you understood my differentiation of griefing and ganking above as you have not in the past.
No comment.
Yeah, but everyone defines those differently, so misinterpretations are to be expected when you people aren’t even united with regard to term meanings.
I once popped an Ishtar in null-sec that was running our sites, and he called me a “piece of s__t f____t griefer” and said that he would never play this “s__t game” again. And it’s true, he didn’t - that was during the days of the watchlist, and I added the player to keep track.
I fell off topic because somehow I got a little push, but I got back on topic pretty quickly.
The trick is you don’t seem to think that some of the best ways of dealing with gankers are productive when they are.
The best advice in this thread comes from a bunch of different sources and some of them are gankers: “talk to us”.
They recommend this not because they are trolling, but because they can teach people to avoid being ganked better than almost anyone and in most cases are happy to do so.
As I think Destiny pointed out they would be explaining cargo expansion and mining yield optimization rather than how to tank, be slippery, and avoid certain systems when they are active ganking points.
My direct experience, all over New Eden has been exactly this, ask the people who kill you what you did wrong after complimenting them on a good kill and you are likely to make a friend or two.
Just because you don’t like what these people do doesn’t mean they are bad people, they are playing a game and don’t have a personal vendetta.
You’ll never be able to convince them of this because framing this whole thing as gankers et cetera being bad people in real life is the only way that these people are able to reconcile this game’s system of player interaction in their minds, and their own personal failures within the game’s environment. It’s much easier to call someone a scumbag than to admit defeat. Humans save face; it’s a survival instinct, and it requires years of training to acknowledge and master those emotions.
I think you have maybe listened to Destiny’s interpretation of what I said rather than actually what I said. Wnat I said was:
Yes. When your emotions are under control and you have talked to people you KNOW you can trust, THEN talk to the gankers. By talking to the people you trust, you may learn the ganker’s game, whether griefing or not.
Yes, SOME do give good advice. But even some of those are merely hiding behind a mask of decency. Regardless, they certainly are NOT the only source of good advice. Talking to them, especially just after a gank, is risky.
That said, there is a grey zone that I really don’t like about EVE and that zone is insufficient information about many aspects of ganking, including how time and effort creates a very strong attachment to in game items. I very much want to cure that for the sake of both victim and ganker.
The below may help you understand why its dangerous to listen to Destiny’s interpretations of what I said:
This is dragged in from old threads and posts he didn’t understand then either.
Even if I said exactly what he thinks I said literally years ago, cannot I change and grow in years? Not according to Destiny it seems. He just keeps hammering on what he thinks he understood years ago, and didn’t, never letting it go or even trying to update or rethink.
That’s the thing: it’s not just you.
So, was I a griefer for popping that Ishtar?