I don’t really see many people as being good or evil, though some are. People are complicated, and often very confused about even basic things.
Whether you like it or not, gankers as a group have chosen a problematic playstyle that does reflect on them in more ways than my war gaming and Fortnite playing does on me. But I have to tell you, I don’t much like that side of myself either. I am wrestling a demon. A lot of us are.
So, was I a griefer for popping that Ishtar?
No idea and no comment. I wasn’t there and I only have your side of the story.
I don’t think they have. It’s not problematic if it’s intended game design. Now, if they were exploiting some kind of loophole to do it, sure. But they aren’t.
It’s exactly as it’s told. There was no exchange past that. The player logged off on the spot.
Would you say that a hyper-realistic game where people can act out terrorism that uses real names, real places, real flags and real terrorist methodology etc was not problematic just because it was intended game design?
I assume this is 100 percent true for purposes of a response.
I would say you were mostly in the right. He was in nullsec, and those who are in nullsec know the risks. And if they don’t, they are morons and deserve it. Those risks are made clear.
That said, you say the sites were “yours”. Did you try to explain that BEFORE blowing up his ship? If not, I do give you some small fault for that, especially if that person was not known to you or ever warned before.
Is it a simulator? I see nothing wrong with it if it’s a simulator. I’ve driven a suicide-bomb truck in Squad and other similar games, and I’ve yelled “Allahu Akbar” over open voice comms during firefights. But then the next round I would be on a US or British team or whatever and would act and talk like a coalition soldier would. Am I a terrorist? I don’t think so; I was just playing my role in the games, and the enemy team was playing theirs. There would be no game if everyone avoided the Hadji teams, and if people didn’t act out their parts accordingly, it would just be a boring deathmatch instead of a simulation of a life-like conflict. But I can separate fiction from reality, so when I closed the game, I didn’t hum “Clashing of Swords” to myself, even though I’ve heard the thing so many times that I know the lyrics.
But even if I was in the right, I was still a “griefer” to him. So what all of this comes down to is that griefing has no unified definition. Which means that he could’ve been wrong about griefers, or maybe you are wrong about griefers.
Also, why do I have to explain anything to people trespassing into null-sec? It’s not like the guy was in a Venture - he was in an Ishtar and farming fairly difficult anomalies, he wasn’t new. Hell even if it was a new player, why do I have to lose my element of surprise against a potentially hostile presence?
Still, I griefed him. According to you and DMC I didn’t, though. Who do I trust?
I was ganked by Aiko once. Was I pissed? Sure. Did I rant? I don’t recall, pretty sure I didn’t. I think I blocked her from attempting to scam me out of 10 mil. Life goes on dudes and dudettes. Play and have fun.
If you are this upset over intended gameplay that you whine or cry wanting it removed, then find another game to play.
I literally camped a warp-in, one-shot him with 1400mm, and he said those things (I might be off by a word or two but it’s mostly accurate) and logged off. I didn’t get to say anything in response because I was pretty dumbfounded by the reaction, though I’m sure I was in the process of typing something like “you realize you’re in someone’s space, right?”
It’s really that simple. I have other stories too.
And do you think that opinion is commonplace or do you think that the use of certain flags would cause rioting?
See, this is what makes me wonder about you. I would wager that most people who trespass whether in game or real life don’t know they are doing it. And if you can’t realize that people don’t know what they don’t know in game, how can you out of game?
I don’t understand what you mean by this. Who would riot? My justification is really simple: I was roleplaying my side in a multiplayer simulator video game. No one would send me to Gitmo over this. It’s not like these games are secret dark web projects anyway.
Really bad examples. I’m not the null-sec police. Let’s go for a different analogy: the guy was picking apples in the orchard outside of my castle, putting them into his cart, and taking them away to someplace else. And he wasn’t wearing my colors or had the king’s blessing. And he was armed and acted efficiently, so it’s not like he was the village idiot where he was from. But when I loosened an arrow into his knee, the fellow did protest.
Actually, you burned his cart, which may have been his only means of making a living.
I am not a site runner. And I don’t run around in null. But this is the first I have heard of anyone caring so much about the sites in the system they “claim”. If I had started doing that earlier today, I would only feel I got ganked for existing. I am used to that idea so I would not be angry. But I would not have taken the angle that I had no business running that site. However, if I had been given a warning and told the situation, I would have left. I would have questioned why you care so much first, but I would have left.
That said, I STILL don’t understand why you care so much.
And I accepted that. Still, he got emotional and YOU KNOW people will. Yet, you just let it happen and wipe your hands of the fallout.
And when I open a thread to deal with such fallout, you piss all over it. And I mean you worked overtime to piss all over it. And this a forum, not the game.
And once again, that’s my point: there’s no unified definition of what “griefing” is in this game. You’re now leaning toward me acting badly, yet other people in your camp will say that I did nothing wrong. And that was the point of my example with this story. I’m sure there are quite a few people who would listen to this story, label me a psychopath, and wish cancer upon me, as the person I killed likely did. And others will say that it’s null-sec and I was just defending my space and my finances from an invader, while at the same time saying that null-sec cloaky campers are griefers, even though they’re acting no differently from other null-sec residents (i.e. competing for resources, or denying financial opportunities to enemy alliances). So whose word do I take?
I don’t care what random people think of me. I have way more friends than I do enemies, and I can only assume it’s for a reason. And I will only care about what my friends think of me, which is almost always positive. Why? Because I don’t lie, cheat, or steal. And I’m not a wussy, and will always back them up. And they would do the same for me.
You make it sound like the respect of some bleeding-heart carebears is some sort of prize; it’s not. Those people would do nothing for me, or anyone else for that matter. You know how I know this? From experience. I’ve often mentioned that I’ve sat in quite a few carebear outfits either to spy or to just derp around. When I pretended to need help, everyone fell silent. Only some of the new players rose up and risked themselves for my well-being - never any veterans, who pretended to be AFK while mining and running missions. Want to know why? Because the people who offered to help were people like me, and they didn’t stick around in those corporations because by the time they became experienced, they either quit (usually out of boredom) or came to some important realizations and adopted my mentality and play style. In fact that’s how I met most of my best friends in EVE.
I’ve experienced the full spectrum of player interaction in this game, while players like you and your pal with anger issues haven’t. You don’t know what I know, and haven’t seen what I’ve seen. All you think you know is that non-consensual PvP is griefing, and the people who engage in it have mental health issues and are real-life criminals. For someone who acts as if they’ve reached enlightenment, you aren’t aware of the gaps in your own knowledge, which in simple terms is plain ignorance. And this isn’t an attack. I’m trying to get you to understand that you don’t yet have all the answers. If you want more knowledge, taking Aiko’s advice would be a good start.
It does. Just because you lose a ship or gank someone doesn’t mean you have to nasty to other people.
If I lose a ship I just say “gf” in local and be a good sports about it. And sure it sucks to lose, but that’s part of the game. This isn’t Hello Kitty Online or WOW, where losing is a bit like not winning as much.
You try again and again to portray as if losing at a round of EVE is some kind of violation, some personal attack on the player. It isn’t. It’s part of the game and players that play the game have to learn to deal with that.
You make the complete opposite of what would be helpful to this people. Instead of telling them to what they could do better and accept the loss as what it is, just a temporary setback at a video game, you try to reinforce their first reaction to see themselves as a victim and put the blame on others.
So instead of growing on the event and getting better at the game they will just get bitter, blame the game, the other players, all things they can change nothing about. They will feel powerless and quit.
And you think you are the good guy here? You just make it worse.
This thread will remain closed. Way too many flags and personal attacks. If you want to talk about ganking use the Megathread.
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