Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers

That is even better advice than the oft quoted and not very clear: “Don’t fly what you can’t afford”. Your way is much more clear and reflecting of practical sense.

I would add only one caveat: If you are planning for a playstyle change anyway, even the loss of an expensive ship might be worth some certain content.

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No I don’t. You actually wrote that the second aim was about pre-gank advice:

Hence, my post above, that the first few posts read as a whine about gankers and fall completely flat in relation to the second aim that you actually wrote for the thread.

I don’t have any issue with post-gank advice, but even with that, your posts read mainly as a whine about gankers, more than just offering advice to ganked players.

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What this thread is for: Helping people who have suffered ganks, and helping people avoid ganks, with positive advice.

What this thread isn’t for: Bashing people with negative criticism or arguing bitterly about your personal opinions. There are other threads for that and I post there too.

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Why not? That’s all you do.

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It’s more the mindset, appealing to common sense. I often undock and travel with stuff I don’t want to get lost, but if it happens I won’t need to go back Venture mining.

EvE requires money management. If you don’t need to care about a potential loss, you free up your mind to have fun. Fear of loss is always a way to the dark side. :wink:

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Don’t make yourself a valuable target…

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Really? Just a few select quotes:

Seems like a lot of bashing really. Your message would have been more useful without them.

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Why? Because you felt personally attacked even though you were not named???

All those were negative FACTS about SOME gankers. I bashed no one. But there you are taking it as a personal slight against you. Why?

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I don’t think ganking is griefing, and I think CCP agrees with me.

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I think you like to shot at strawmen you build, and even you agree with me.

Ridley reminds me of a certain country that is now trying to be a dominate world power without the backup to pull it off. Are you one of it’s agents? EVE seems a poor choice for your efforts…

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The effort to derail this thread is as obvious as are the people doing it.

The reason is also obvious: they want gank victims to be griefed as much as possible, with no support, because they are griefers as well as trolls.

And though I have named no one, watch as they own that too with more troll responses.

Edit: Yup. They tripped over themselves to own it all! The griefer subset of gankers and ganker supporters just cannot help themselves. See below. They drop strawman arguments like anti-missile chaff.

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Seriously though, how is ganking griefing? We are just playing a PvP video game, and shooting targets. Do you go to the PUBG forums and cry about griefers?

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Most of us are not gankers, you lump us all together because you have no other defense.

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There you go with your intellectual dishonesty again.

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Ridley, why do you think ganking is griefing? It’s just gameplay. That’s like saying someone is “griefing” during a chess match, because they are capturing pawns.

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If victims didn’t define non-consensual PvP as griefing, they wouldn’t have a platform for removing it.

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So you think this is some kind of faux manufactured moral outrage virtue signalling?

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Probably more like survival instinct, and they’re fighting back the only way they are able to with their limited understanding and skill sets. I don’t think most of them are able to think that far ahead in order to “virtue-signal,” and are in fact not truly concerned with matters of morality - their goals are usually immediate, and consist solely of feeding.

The people who do think ahead and do virtue-signal are like the prolific anti-PvP whiners on the forum (e.g. Brohan, Dracvlad, DMC, Noori, a couple of others). They have the understanding and skill sets to survive, but are upset by the existence of non-consensual PvP on an existential level, and are using non-consensual PvP victims as ammunition in their war to push their agenda - they don’t actually care about these people, but pretend to do so in order to get what they want. I’ve said this before in other threads already.

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