Freshwater or saltwater ?
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Good work, CONCORD. More of this kind of actual enforcement against capsuleers would be nice to see.
To people saying that CONCORD didnât offer enough money: This was not a transaction. They were not asking to buy the item. They are running a criminal investigation and demanding the turnover of evidence pertaining to it. Refusing is obstruction of justice, as Captain Newelle said. The money offered was a courtesy. A finders fee. It was not owed, or necessary, just a minor token of appreciation for cooperating with the investigation. Anyone that believes you need to extort the authorities for all they can give before you are willing to cooperate with them is a selfish scumbag that deserves whatever happens when the hammer comes down.
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CONCORD makes a decision about where they feel the greatest benefits come from, yeah. In a way, thatâs the whole deal with society though, isnât it? âYou play by our rules or you donât get foodâ. Thatâs just as much extortion.
If you donât want to follow CONCORDâs rulesâincluding the rules about how to get an exemption from other rulesâmove out to null, or j-space. Or stop flying. If you live in CONCORD-patrolled space, or space where your actions are logged for CONCORDâs review (like podding in low-sec), youâre making the decision to live within their structure.
And if thatâs the decision youâre making⌠donât bitch when you get caught on what âlive within their structureâ means.
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Yeah. Maybe if they were âminding their own businessâ in orbit over Matar youâd feel differently. Drifters are an enemy of all mankind and they ought to be prosecuted as such when encountered. If you can get them to communicate with us to change that status, then thatâd be a different story.
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If they were âminding their own businessâ over Matar, Iâd be kind of happy to be honest. A sign of non-hostility towards my people would be nothing if not great news, and something that shouldnât be jeopardized with wanton violence.
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Or maybe I wouldnât, because I donât subscribe to the âdrifters are an existential threatâ ideology. So far everything theyâve done has had a reason, and surprisingly many of them understandable - I believe Iâve drawn the parallels of Drifter and Empryean behavior several times in the past so I wonât rehash those.
Yep, but I wasnât there at the time. Itâs a big damn universe. And thatâs the reason I asked if anyone tried communications before opting for the usual capsuleer M.O. of âshoot first ask questions never.â
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Iâm surprised at such direct action by SARO to obtain the corpse - though not too surprised.
Between vindictive actions such as these and previous cases, in addition to their complete upgrade of their fleets and the not-entirely unsubstantiated rumors that they may be studying their own methods of rendering even Drifter vesselsâ power against them null, Iâm developing a stronger and stronger suspicion that the Assembly may be vying to someday become a faction of its own - instead of a balancing body between the Empries.
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If they are, then this is a piss-poor way of going about doing it. The first thing theyâd need to do is get themselves financially independent. Until then, theyâre as bound to the empires as the empires are to them.
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I am somewhat perturbed at how the Scope reported this incident.
It claimed that:
Captain Oveg Drust of the DEDâs Genesis Fleet has been engaged in an attempt to recover what he describes as âmaterial evidenceâ from the capsuleer, and noted Sani Sabik philosopher, Valerie Valate. Negotiations to have Valate turn in the evidence â apparently a âcorrupted trinary relicâ â collapsed today amidst the DED imposing a severe security status change as a sanction against the capsuleer.
Negotiations collapsed, my foot.
The DED made no attempt to negotiate satisfactory terms. They opened with threats, and then re-iterated upon those threats.
I came up with several proposals that would have led to a mutually satisfactory outcome, including the possibility of ARC examining the artifact - if an anti-Drifter weapon exists, this is of importance to everyone, not something that should be monopolised and used by CONCORD as a weapon of tyranny.
The DED, being jobsworths, declined to serve the public that pay their wages, and so this whole spectacle unfolded with a certain tedious inevitability.
The damn statue that I asked for wouldnât even have cost 5m ISK. I was going to hand it over anyway, after the artifact was examined by Prianoâs outfit. And I would have done it for free.
But the DED just had to be rude, and throw their weight around like a muscle-bound oaf. Thinking thatâs the way to impress classy girls (like myself).
Well. Weâll see who has the last laugh. (me)
Sincerely
Dr. V. Valate.
Noted Sani Sabik philosopher.
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They canât, thatâs the thing.
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Sounds like they described it pretty accurately. It became a negotiation the moment you asked for something else, and the negotiations ended when he said ânoâ.
And no, ARC examining the artifact is clearly not âmutually satisfactoryâ, since ARC isnât part of CONCORDâs investigative arm. Seriously, you guys have a serious ego problem here. If this is what capsuleers think of themselves in highsec, that theyâre fully coeval, equal parties to the people who can just shut them down at a whimâŚ
CONCORD should shut you guys down, maybe.
And this nonsense:
They want the evidence unsullied. They donât want someone else, whose facilities they donât have control over and cannot certify are up to their standards, poking at it and potentially obliterating the things theyâre trying to find.
If you represent the pinnacle of Sani Sabik thought, itâs no wonder it produces Napkins. Youâre dumb as a damned stone.
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Right-o.
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Truly, a quality rebuttal based on a substantive point of view. Whine more, please.
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Curious moment of introspection you had there, Arrendis. Iâm keen to agree, though - do you ever say anything of substantive valueâŚ?
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I have been saying that the relationship between the Scope and Concord has been suspect for a while now. A tool of an corrupt and autocratic organization.
Oh, if this does go to the courts⌠Forget trying your luck in Concord Kangaroo Courts. You were in orbit above Luminaire, and should have the Gallente Courts intercede. Donât cave in to the threats of this jack booted thug.
There is a world of difference between standard Concord regulations and enforcement, and the extra-legal actions of the SARO and DED. Attacking a capsuleer with special forces units and forcibly removing cargo, and then threatening to publicly smear the reputation of a different capsuleer and then unilaterly acting to change sec status wiithout judicial oversight⌠These sound more like the actions of autocratic secret police instead of law abiding law enforcement.
Oveg Drust, maybe your time being a PIRATE (oh my, for someone living in a glass house it is interesting that you would throw stones at Valerie like that), has colored your judgement. You are acting in a lawless way throwing around threats and bullying innocent capsuleers. This is not how someone that is ostensibly a public official should be acting. For shame. I will be reaching out to Captain Marshal Sirdan xer Qosh, the Amarr Empireâs member of the Inner Circle, to officially register a complaint against your actions.
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I wonder what makes you so sure he isnât already working on that guys orders.
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The Captain Marshal is the representative of her majesty Empress Catiz I. As a faithful citizen of Amarr, I trust in our leadership. As for the Captain Marshall, if he is duplicitous in this matter, he will have to answer to the Empress. As well as to God.
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Why would xer Qosh care about protecting a SANI SABIK like Valarie Valate? Innocent? Not only is she a blooder, she was blatantly obstructing justice here. When the lawful authority demands you turn over evidence for an ongoing investigation, you do it without question.
Furthermore, the Empire stood by CONCORD the last time some capsuleer attempted to withhold evidence from them. And that capsuleer was an actual Holder, not a heretic.
CONCORDâs actions here are hardly out of touch with typical Imperial judicial procedure. CONCORD is acting more like Imperial justice in this matter, and thatâs a good thing. Itâs about time they actually enforce consequences, however limited, instead of their normal overly lax and permissive manner towards criminal and destabilizing elements.
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Eeeeeh, now this is not a universal truth. I can see many scenarios where my priorities would be at odds with CONCORD. The difference is, you do this accepting the consequences of your actions. In this case, an almost entirely toothless one. What you do not do is whine and whinge about CONCORD putting their foot down when you taunt them to do so.
Legal and illegal, and right and wrong arenât the same thing. You just canât entirely ignore one for the other, is all.
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