Unstable economy

Nope.

Next question?

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didn’t you said you were going to leave eve, why you are still complaining ?

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Inflation is a systemic issue and the listing fee and order price change fees play a big role in causing it.

Your statement has no support or factual basis. Certain items have always had regular up-down cycles. Watch the Oz Report and other market commentators, they’ve been talking about it for literally years.

Nor do listing fees exert control on supply and demand, which is controlled at different ends of the EVE process - manufacturing (or for some items, PvE drops) and destruction (or fitting for content running, in some cases).

Listing fees have always been there, so nothing has changed at all on that front. You’re also incorrect (as usual) on the “you shouldn’t have to pay before a sale has been made” point. When a market provider accepts your product and allows it to be listed on their market, they just provided a service to you and made their sale. That’s what you’re paying for.

It’s also there to prevent players from making ‘frivolous’ posts, like posting many single items at huge prices to inflate the games ‘estimated value’ or mess up the market graphs. It keeps price posts in line with market expectations, as overpricing reduces your profits through excessive fees.

The same with the relisting fees, which are the newer fee. They encourage efficient marketers to post at prices they feel confident will sell. Otherwise their profit is reduced every time they relist.

Your continual stream of posts showing you really don’t understand the game, or even basic things like service fees, would look a little less stupid if there was any evidence that you were learning anything from them.

As it is, it just looks like you’ve developed a desperate need for attention and are seeking argument on the forums to achieve it.

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When the broker fee is charged before anything has sold it leads to orders being smaller rather than big. Similarly when there is a fee to change the price the orders are going to be smaller rather than big but also there is less competition for liquidity which puts upward pressure on prices.

@Kezrai_Charzai One more ad hominem from you or anyone else and you will be ignored

You’ve been ignoring everyone’s arguments already anyway, the only difference is that you talked back until now.

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ignore him, he is just one of those hater that need attention

Thats why I am glad that EVE isn’t casual/mainsteam gameplay, anyone knowing the digital nightmare of Battle. net public chats knows what I am talking about. Pure waste of time, thats why I always said: the ‘Players Ideas and Suggestions’ board should be limited. Alphas, Alts and Newbies forbidden.

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While I agree with your point, I wouldn’t go that far. They definitely should not be allowed to flag any post. The reason I say that is you never know where the next good idea might come from.

I would rather read through a wall of salt (plus I get a good chuckle) than miss a point that might be a spark for someone else more experienced to make into a workable idea. I spent 3 days looking into one of Blues ideas that I thought was good only to find that CCP had something like that but dropped it.

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Ad HoMiNeM… never heard of it… and it sure as hell doesn’t look like Kezrai used ad-hominem..
attacking your idea, is not ad hominem…

YoU nEeD tO lEaRn To PlAy EvE.

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:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: Now That was well said! Thanks for the chuckle!

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Broker fees reduce the amount of ISK in circulation and therefore reduce inflation.

And if you think market prices are too high, feel free to undercut them.

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Cormorant Navy Issue. On first screenshot you can see daily volumes in The Forge. On second screenshot you can see the orders and their size. Notice its just a few ships put for sale at a time which makes the price unstable. Its caused to a large extent by the listing and price change fees.



Removing the listing and order change fees is not going to cause much of a dent in the ISK sink. But if it does you can remove insurance which according to the MER causes a net increase of the ISK supply of about 4T each month. Insurance may also have an indirect impact on ships prices since people are more inclined to pay for example 15M for a cruiser if they can insure it and get 5M back if its destroyed.

Tl;dr the current insurance mechanic is an arbitrary concept that causes inflation and the order listing and order change fees are causing price instability.

i thought you were going to leave eve, why you are still here ?

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lkkdsjgdsg

1st thing he said that make sense! :laughing:

Posting in the forum is just like undocking.

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Ah, the level of EVE poverty where a few million on a Cormorant actually matters. See…what you need is this…

Remove insurance? Are you daft?

Just because insurance is an ‘arbitrary mechanic’ that contributes to inflation this is no reason to remove it.

Insurance is part of the game for a reason.

If you do not understand that reason yet you should not suggest to remove it for inflation reasons.

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Insurance mechanic has a low approval rating it seems. It might be time for someone to try and discredit the poll.

Removing listing fees and price change fees could lower the ISK sink. The insurance mechanic can be removed to compensate.

As pointed out its an arbitrary mechanic that causes inflation but it also has a low approval rating it seems.