I don’t know, I just see you whining about the removal of AFK ratting via a change that has zero effect if you aren’t AFK. So clearly you’re using those ships in an AFK manner.
All im saying is if the game has to force you to not afk do something then that is jsut bad game design. and the problem is not the players its the devs
Every mmo has their lazy crowd who want to get to “the top” with minimal efforts involved, no matter how fun and engaging a game is.
Planetside 2 is a very fun game but still there are people who cheat at it just for… hell, I don’t know what for. I guess it raises their low self-esteem.
My point is, EVE devs can do all that is humanly possible to make PvE fun and engaging but there will always be that crowd who play for the glory ( lmao ) instead of playing for entertainment.
Bad game design, maybe. I don’t know enough about EVE to say it is perfectly designed.
But putting everything on the devs is a cop-out.
At least EVE devs are doing something to improve the game, not like some other devs who put out a game and are nowhere to be found afterwards.
i get that i really do im a game designer i understand how players think, and as a player of EVE that HAS done pve for a while i understand why people would want to afk / bot for one its boring af there is nothing different when it comes to sites a “angel refuge” is the same as a “serpentis refuge” other then different ewar and dmg type and even at that lvl a t1 frig could do it with no problem if they would make content different, harder, or just throw in some good loot that drops more then once per 10 years.
yes the eve devs are doing good about creating new ways of pve, sadly those ways of pve suck (in terms of isk) and yet the boring / old pve is where the loot / isk is. What good is “new” content if no one dose it because its not worth the time. see what im getting at
If EVE bores you maybe the answer is to find you a game that doesn’t bore you. It’s simple and logical to me.
My complaint is that CCP is using a hammer (that afks loads of things outside of what they want to combat) when a scalpel is needed.
CCP already has tools to fight null sec afk ratting (like abyssal style randomly spawning anti-drone tower) without affecting EVERY OTHER form of combat PVE where drone auto-aggro against npcs is helpful.
It’s like how they, instead of making anomalies gated with ess style warp and mwd penalties (which would give hunters a fighting chance to reach them), which would have ENDED super carrier and carrier ratting (which is where most of the isk spew come from), they nerfed fighters which made supers and carriers less useful across the board.
I’ve watched them do that for 13 years and it’s annoying.
I understand. Yet, I seriously doubt that " no one dose it "
There are more than 30000 players on any given day on EVE. Don’t tell me that NO ONE does the new content.
No, CCP is definitely using a scalpel. This change has a negligible effect on anyone who isn’t AFK farming, which is a perfect example of a carefully targeted change instead of a blanket nerf.
they nerfed fighters which made supers and carriers less useful across the board.
So what you’re saying is that they made an excellent change that didn’t go far enough.
your still not getting it eve dose not bore me XD i do a lot of pvp now i run my own corp.
all im saying is (AS SOMEONE WHO DID PVE) sites i understand why player afk them all im saying is the answer is simple…
- make old content more fun to do / worth doing not afk like say doing the site in under 2-3 mins gives a higher % change of something good spawning / droping
- jsut make the new content more worth doing ie more isk / new faction drops or hell jsut make it over all more fun with good isk
This meme is so old, I don’t even know. Crumplecorn doesn’t even play anymore, pretty sure. But, this is your issue. The content is deadpan boring and simple. If CCP Coyote can make the World Ark Assault Vector site in a week, it shouldn’t take that long to rework null combat anomalies to bring them up to date with CCP’s current expectations of player engagement by making the content more interactive.
yes you get my point thank you!!!
Yes that is what im saying if you bring the old content up to current expectations more people will want to engage with it
but i guess in the devs mind “why fix a dead ship”
Yes. I guess the devs are too busy belancing the game right now and creating some chaos in the short run.
Maybe when they’re done correcting everything they can think up ways to make better PvE.
As far as getting more ISK for things, I wouldn’t hold my breath. It seems that the devs don’t want to give away ISK that easily.
What would be “fun”?
What would make PvE “worth doing not afk”?
You must not do abyssal content, or use drone ships in burner missions, or do ANY serpentis or Guristas missions for you to be able to say that.
You seem so caught up in your hate of ‘farmers’ that you can’t see how this doesn’t affect farmers in the way you think but DOES screw up people who aren’t even the target of the nerf. It’s a blanket nerf that affects ALL drones based PVE with the problem is afking drone ships in null sec.
If the problem is afking drone ships in null sec, fix afking drone ships in null sec I don’t see how nerfing a mission runner in Gallente high sec who gets damped to hell by serp rats helps anything. Meanwhile, people in null will just keep farming, only with smartbombs and fof missiles while being only slightly less afk.
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That’s not the problem though.
The problem was
Care to point where CCP specifically stated that “drone ships in null sec” were the problem? It’s silly for you to impose what YOU think is the issue upon what CCP is doing, and then getting mad that CCP is doing their own thing.
@Scoots_Choco Define this.
And do you really believe that if they had done that instead of this change, people wouldn’t still come in droves to the forums because their money making scheme got nerfed in adifferent fashion?
If I wanted to do abyssals, I would be doing abyssals!!! Don’t mess around with something that works perfectly fine already! Go fix low sec instead, deal with bots, get CCP_name fired, etc etc
These are the types of outrage comments you’d see.
People already raised concerns about how this change will affect EWAR, and the CSM is keeping an eye for active suggestions that aren’t stuff like “roll back all changes to how it was before 2012” or the like.
People will always be angry and have some varied feedback to give, but don’t expect devs or the CSM to take you seriosuly when you complain you can’t/don’t want to press a button to deal damage to an enemy NPC, and still want to earn the same amount of isk as you currently do, by doing literally nothing in your alt clients, while drones attack stuff for you.
did you not read what i said?
if they make it so content is worth doing not afk (ei. rewarding for quickly doing the site), or just making it so random thinks can happen like… oh idk having a random battleship spawn in a ded 2 site