Update on Security of the Empire

(Melisma Ramijozana) #221

This was so beautiful it brought a glistening tear to my eye.

Wait wait wait.

I’ve seen the idea that Kernher has followers being talked about before, but when you say “prophetic figure,” do you mean that literally, or is this just a corruption of the fanatical enthusiasm in which the disenfranchised often cling to successful images?

Asking for me, because I would love to be viewed as a prophetic figure by a group of devoted warriors, so please explain, or I’ll have to ask Kernher to write a how-to guide.

(Arrendis) #222

And who made them desperate, Aldrith?

Who taught us to hate again?

(Aldrith Shutaq) #223

Everyone who told them the Rite and Empire are wrong.

(Gaven Lok'ri) #224

I’m pretty sure no one serious considers working within a legal mandate under government oversight to protect Amarr civilians, both free and slave, from gangs of armed criminals to be “terrorism.”

(Arrendis) #225

I’m pretty sure there’s a hell of a lot of free Minmatar who are serious about how wrong you are.

(Deitra Vess) #226

If you don’t mind me asking:

At the onset of all of this, when her initial event happened, PIE issued a statement casting her out. At present I don’t have the ability to view her employment history so please correct me if I’m wrong (my memory could be off on this, please excuse me if it is) Wasn’t she enrolled at the time with your auxiliary corporation when this happened?

Beside that point, if I’m not mistaken she was under your employ for years prior, yet you couldn’t find any issue? I will be the first to admit I’m probably not the best at internal security but the only spies we’ve had were rooted out within hours of application, not post hire. I’m not questioning your abilities on these things but, well simply put I’m truely surprised it got past your organization. If she was such a threat to your people I just don’t see it slipping through the cracks. Take that as a complement I guess. But it does raise questions on the current situation at hand. It. Doesn’t. Make. Sense. She’s some heretical cult leader and you didn’t even have an incling of it, for years?

Please don’t mind my confusion on this one.

(Alizabeth Vea) #227

Is this what you think I did, Arrendis? Terrorism?

(Aria Jenneth) #228

So, Deitra? What you’re … uh, kind of poking your finger in here is pretty much exactly why the Amarr look at heresy the way they do.

Heresy’s something easy to identify and call out when it’s wearing a black robe hemmed in weird spidery red sigils and sticking a sacrificial dagger in Uncle Attir’s heart. But, when it first appears, it’s usually subtler than that, and it’s usually not called, “HERETIC!”

It’s usually called your neighbor, or your brother, or your niece. It’s poison wearing the face of a close and dear loved one or friend.

And to be clear, a lot of heresies don’t involve ever putting on that robe at all.

(Alizabeth Vea) #229

I will also say that sometimes, a revelation or epiphany can have a profound, drastic, and immediate effect.

I know someone who went from being a devout blooder, to doubter, to suicide in one day, because of what someone else did.

I think it likely that Ms. Kerner has, or had, some preconceptions or ideas regarding the Empire that had to be true for many things in her life to have purpose and meaning. If those ideas became untrue, no matter how long or short it too, then the drastic change is what would be seen. I don’t speak for her; this is just my observation based on others.

As for me, there was someone I would die for who managed to turn me into a mortal enemy in the space of a few hours. These things can happen.

(Garion Avarr) #230

She was, in fact, not, and had not been for about three weeks.

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #231

That depends on the methods of said protection.

And as was stated above, if the realities of slave rebellions are too distasteful for you, just pick up your toys and go home. We’ve got this.

(Mizhara Del'thul) #232

Terrorism can have purpose and depending on the enemy and situation, can even be justified.

What you did? It requires an ignorance our kind are incapable of to make it anything short of an atrocity.

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #233

One definition of terrorism is 1) the use of acts of violence 2) to cause fear in a population 3) in an attempt to achieve a political goal.

Like you said yourself elsewhere, if stifling a rebellion not done fast and decisively, it might end up not done at all. That is not just because the fast and decisive is more effective in a military sense - it is also because it is more effective in propaganda sense, in convincing others not to start anything.

In other words, what you did and what you advocate is the very definition of terrorism. Only if you include in the definition the exclusion clause that terrorism is by definition not something done by legal governments (a definition that is sometimes used), can you argue it is not.

(Valerie Valate) #234

By the powers of Haemothaumaturgy, I call upon the Sefrim to smite Alizabeth and strike her down beyond all chance of resurrection, for her failings to God and Empire.

(Samira Kernher) #235

If you don’t think this is happening from the Amarr side too, have I got news for you.

(Valerie Valate) #236

It’s a term used by Theology Council minions to disparage any person following any of Samira’s religious teachings. Samira herself calls them something like Avetatism, as you can see from the chosen name of her corporation, which iirc is in Amarrad, the old dialect of Amarr.

The Theology Council are calling this “Kernherism” because it suits their agenda. By personifying it, it characterises it in the minds of many, as a cult-of-personality surrounding Samira, and thusly, associated with the cults-of-personality around such figures as some Sani-Sabik, or other gross heretics, e.g. the “Naupliusism” label, which wasn’t really applied too much on account of it’s pronunciation being a bit tricky. Cults-of-personality also tend to be dismissed as unworthy of any deeper study or analysis.

So, by calling it “Kernherism”, the implication is that it will end and be forgotten in the event of Samira’s death. This suits the Theology Council’s objectives.

(Samira Kernher) #237

Some people are calling it that. What the Theology Council may or may not be calling it is not information I’d trust from a blooder.

(Valerie Valate) #238

Oh, yes, of course, it’s just being used by PIE, not the Theology Council.

But it’s the same thought pattern and methodology - Suggest it is a personality cult, and people will assume there’s nothing substantial to it.

(Deitra Vess) #239

@Aria_Jenneth @Alizabeth_Vea @Gaven_Lok_ri

Thank you, that clears it up.

(Arrendis) #240