Using macros for ratting - allowed?

Multiboxing is still allowed, but you will have to do it without input-broadcasting.
Input-broadcasting refers to actions that simultaneously affect multiple EVE client’s at the same time, this includes any programs and/or any mechanical devices that you may have build.

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Thanks. Just so I understand this correctly… when I see a miner, whose 10+ mining ships lock onto the same rock all at the same time and mine them then that’s input broadcasting?

I’m asking, because I know some folks with large mining fleets of alts who mine the rocks one by one and lock them slowly, while I’ve seen two guys whose mining lasers all turn on in one second and all aimed at the same rock, which a normal person couldn’t possibly do.

Yes, it is very likely that such a player is using some sort of botting program or input-broadcasing software. That being said, each case will still have to be investigated to be sure that (s)he has indeed been violating the EULA/ToS. If you genuinely think it is a Bot you should report it in a Support Ticket.

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That’s why I’m asking. I’d like to report such activities, but I don’t want to report the wrong guys. Thanks, ISD Sakimura.

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If you are suspicious, report it. CCP will investigate and do what is required. They won’t ban people who don’t break the rules.

That’s not what I’m concerned about. The problem is that when too many people report activities, then it gets harder for CCP to get reliable reports. It’s up to us to make their job easier, because if we flood them with false reports then we’re actually helping the botters.

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Also an issue is (as far as I am aware) you can only have two open support tickets at any given time. (I guess per account but still.) But correct me if am wrong. So it can be an issue if you see too many people botting as you would want to report them right away so they can be investigated sooner and have fresh logs not ones that may expire or even might not exist later so reporting in bulk is not a solution.

No. You’re being ignorant. It simply doesn’t matter to CCP to make a distinction between the two, nor is this an exact science. Macro programs can often record a series of inputs and play them back, which can essentially work like a bot.

After the first 20 reports or so, you’ll stop. As you’ll soon find everyone you report will never disappear. Ice belts for instance are full of botting fleets that have been there every.single.day for years without reproach from CCP. Don’t buy into the “we go after botters” propaganda. If all those botted accounts are paid for, they’re going nowhere. Unless you run into fleets of botted alphas, they’ll ban those. Maybe.

I’ve seen quite a few of them, but many aren’t bots. I know of one player with 20 alts (1 Orca, 1 freighter, 18 barges) and he locks onto every ice block one by one and he even releases ice mining drones, again one by one. It takes a while for him to get them all up and running, but then he takes down an entire belt in less than 45 minutes.

Sure, it’s annoying for everyone else who just comes with a single ship or perhaps 2-3 alts, but I’ve seen many like him with smaller fleets, all doing it manually.

It’s either that or disallow alts altogether, but you cannot just declare everyone to be a bot when they have more alts than oneself.

if I am an engineer and can make a mechanical link between several keyboards with each other, using the lever mechanism. Will this be equated to a bot? Let’s forbid playing on comfortable chairs, only a bench or a hard chair

Input-translate refers to actions that simultaneously affect several EVE clients simultaneously, including any programs and / or any mechanical devices that you can create.

What nonsense. Why does a person have 10 computers 10 keyboards and a communication system between them. Will this player, according to your logic, be considered a bot program?
If a person sits alone and controls the entire zoo.

WTF?
Why because of the inability of the CCP programmers to implement a system of protection from bots. Simple players should be uncomfortable? why a person who can create a mechanical device for a keyboard that will make it easier for him to play, will also be equated to a bot program. The Aryan approach, let’s make all the blondes, but if you get out of the crowd or change the color of your hair, then you are facing a death sentence

Why would you ask me this when I just had to ask an ISD for what it means? :rofl:

Aaaaaand we hit godwin’s law.

Good job Vlad!

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The guy can run multiple clients on one computer and alt-tab between them. Which is still a completely legit way to play. Most multi-boxers only run a few clients parallel so can do so on one single computer. (And even can run many more on several and still can do legitimately though might take a bit more effort.)

Noone should be allowed to use a monitor larger than 17" running a resolution of 800x600. Anything larger is an advantage over other poor, disenfranchised players.

using your logic, i can’t use my 32" tv then huh?

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did not read thru whole thread but i do have a question binding F1 and F2 together on a single macro yay or nay?

Nay :horse:

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very well,i will totally not do that than.

Everything here is hearsay it’s something you’d have to ask a GM to be sure of.

one of the original eve multi-boxers had a system like that, it’s pretty specifically banned.