Where I live seismic upgrades are a thing and some of our heritage buildings are ‘not ready’
So you are faced with the ‘tear down the buildings or try to upgrade in place’ choice. Either way, there are pain points. Tear down and people will miss the old and automatically hate the new, even if the building will be sturdier and able to be bigger, safer. Build on top of the old and try to ‘keep everything’ and it will cripple both the old and the new. I have seen buildings with angled pillars to hold walls up, just in case.
CCP wants to be able to add, build, modify and the old UI base code was not sturdy or robust enough for that sort of thing. So they bring in the new one. It allows more but it takes away the heritage of what was there, before. Being new it has Bugs and we, being human, (well some of us, anyways) tend to cling to what we have and fear change. Try to keep both with ‘opt in’ capabilities and you increase the pressure on the server duplicating effort.
Did I welcome the Photon with open arms and cries of joy? No. Did I switch over to it a while ago so I would slowly get used to it before it became locked in with no choice? Yes. After all these years I know how buildings are made, code is changed, the world works.
Some of the complaints above are totally valid and there is still lots of room to grow in Photon but we are in that UI, now.
I say to do it ONLY for the inventory windows, because the only thing compact mode does for them, is remove useful information. It doesn’t compact anything which benefits from compact mode normally, AND it hides important UI elements which are necessary for clear communication of information.
Every other window in the game that I’ve seen in the past few hours, I agree don’t un-compact. But that one, it doesn’t break anything and it restores missing functionality while remaining just as not-actually-compact as it is in compact mode otherwise.
I run on a second hand gaming pc tat is about 6 years old - the only new thing on it 2 years ago was the GTX 1650. I have two monitors - one is 21 inch and is 8 years old, the other is 6 years old 23 inch. I have to clean the gfx and cpu fans out every 4 months to stop the heat build up becoming too bad. I can still run one of my two chars on the high res settings - as long as I am in a system alone and not near anything with texture of any sort
There is not ready and then there is designers clearly never stepping into WH space or south of jita and still not listning to scanners when we, the people who use the locations window the most, tell them the design is terrible
There has been feedback, CCP just chose to ignore it and force the players to get used to it, but when fundamental aspects of the game are broken or a mess you are just going to driver players away. The look of the UI was the ONE thing that stood the test of time for 20 years, this is that thing where apple tried to make the apps look like they were made of wood for no sane reason.
Mike, I respect you deeply. The point some of us have been making is that it is one thing to update the code, another to degrade the appearance, functionality and efficiency of the UI in the process. It would have been perfectly possible for CCP to have written new, unified code that still generated pretty much the same windows as we had before, with the same information density, the same efficient use of space, the same fonts, the same buttons, etc, etc.
No one is against Photon as a concept. Photon as implemented, however…
It simply was not ready at 1100 this morning, but they pressed ahead anyway.
Anyway, trust you are well and I am reminded that I really need to find you a Bus contribution in the near future.
I would have given you a like but I have run out of hearts for today. Which is ironic given what today is…
I know it doesn’t look like much, but the gap between ‘useful data’ and the slider bar is large enough for at least another 2 characters. On each line. And that’s the compact member list. We lose space in the main window, too. And in every other window.
Please, for the love of god, CCP, stop wasting my real estate. Doing anything significant in this game already takes up way too much space, I don’t need every little UI window taking up even more of it.
Dude, I use multiple monitors, and I still don’t have close to enough screen space for EVE, even if I stretch it across them all. I really cannot stress enough how much all of the wasted space makes me want to stab people, especially since it’s only gotten worse as Photon’s developed.
Not smug at all. I’ve been told I am wrong when I made the statement that most EVE players use multiple monitors, so I like to highlight every time somebody says they use more than one. Given what I do for a living, I’m the last person to look down their nose at working people.
I have also found that I have to keep Inventory non-compacted. The annoying thing is that even with it locked, the damn thing keeps resizing slightly, so am constantly having to adjust it so that it shows five items across, not just four. We are talking a tiny number of pixels. Heaven knows what genius coding causes that…
Every time I’ve seen them over the months, I’ve taken screenshots, I’ve submitted tickets, hell, you’ve seen the threads I’ve posted. I swear, man, there are times I am fairly sure the UI guys are specifically trolling me with this stuff.
Like, straight up a line in the UI code with
if(
match(
user_acct, “Arrendis”
)
distortui(),
);
give me the option to OPT OUT of Photon UI, you guys have a impressive track record of messing with things that really don’t need to be touched, there is plenty of other things that NEED to be sorted but hey, we are here.
At least you admit this was a dumb answer to give and deserves to be turned into a meme… but still, this was a dumb answer to give and you deserved to be turned into a meme about how stupid it was to say that.
Also this:
Because… well, that^^
Yes, a LOT has been fixed, previously and today. But a LOT - and a lot of REALLY IMPORTANT things - still needs to be fixed before photon is ready to be live without an opt out. It’s nowhere near as awful as it would have been if they pushed it live 2 months ago without an opt out, but that doesn’t mean it’s ready. And…
Just because SOME people have multiple monitors, and you happen to be friends with more of those people than other,s doesn’t mean EVERYONE does or that everyone should be EXPECTED to.
I’ve had no issues after setting the size to the appropriate size while having the scrollbar on the side of the window. The bar cuts into the width, so it makes the window act like it’s smaller when it isn’t, so you need a bit of extra space on the edge to account for it. If you don’t it seems to resize every time you’re starting to fill up.
Are you going to pay for every new monitor? If not then maybe keep such suggestions to yourself.
The Photon team is a bunch of blind people who were probably thrown out of google for doing bad UI/X design (and that is some amazing work considering the utter ■■■■ UI google produces).
Feedback has been “too much wasted space” from day one and very little has changed since then. Compact mode is not actually compacted but just removes useful information and I don’t know what hellhole the person who decided to hide most useful functions behind hamburger menus came from but they should go back.
It was said mostly tongue in cheek to begin with, although I do think that if the issue is screen space, then getting a new monitor is a much simpler solution than demanding the company redesign the UI to benefit a tiny percentage of the user base who are apparently playing on 13 inch laptops alone.
Thank you for at least acknowledging that they have done this. I cannot tell you how many of these complaints include statements like “they never fix anything after it goes live” etc, and while that was 100% true in the past, this team has done a ton of iteration on Photon and they deserve at least some benefit of the doubt when it comes to getting the rest of the stuff fixed.
I never said anybody was expected to. I simply made the statement, and had it vociferously denied, yet almost everybody in this thread who has talked about how many monitors they have has said they use more than one. Go figure.
I offered to pay for a new monitor for Dyver, but he didn’t take me up on it. There’s already a significant investment to be able to play the game in the first place - you need a computer, you need broadband access, you need a sub - that I don’t get why so many people get butthurt at the mention that maybe it’s time to upgrade if your current hardware isn’t doing the trick anymore.
