I have a gaming laptop with pathfinder open and a cheap 1080p monitor for eve itself plugged in and one single account, because I am a poor working class person who apparently does not matter
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Okay, just a small analogy
Where I live seismic upgrades are a thing and some of our heritage buildings are ānot readyā
So you are faced with the ātear down the buildings or try to upgrade in placeā choice. Either way, there are pain points. Tear down and people will miss the old and automatically hate the new, even if the building will be sturdier and able to be bigger, safer. Build on top of the old and try to ākeep everythingā and it will cripple both the old and the new. I have seen buildings with angled pillars to hold walls up, just in case.
CCP wants to be able to add, build, modify and the old UI base code was not sturdy or robust enough for that sort of thing. So they bring in the new one. It allows more but it takes away the heritage of what was there, before. Being new it has Bugs and we, being human, (well some of us, anyways) tend to cling to what we have and fear change. Try to keep both with āopt inā capabilities and you increase the pressure on the server duplicating effort.
Did I welcome the Photon with open arms and cries of joy? No. Did I switch over to it a while ago so I would slowly get used to it before it became locked in with no choice? Yes. After all these years I know how buildings are made, code is changed, the world works.
Some of the complaints above are totally valid and there is still lots of room to grow in Photon but we are in that UI, now.
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I say to do it ONLY for the inventory windows, because the only thing compact mode does for them, is remove useful information. It doesnāt compact anything which benefits from compact mode normally, AND it hides important UI elements which are necessary for clear communication of information.
Every other window in the game that Iāve seen in the past few hours, I agree donāt un-compact. But that one, it doesnāt break anything and it restores missing functionality while remaining just as not-actually-compact as it is in compact mode otherwise.
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I run on a second hand gaming pc tat is about 6 years old - the only new thing on it 2 years ago was the GTX 1650. I have two monitors - one is 21 inch and is 8 years old, the other is 6 years old 23 inch. I have to clean the gfx and cpu fans out every 4 months to stop the heat build up becoming too bad. I can still run one of my two chars on the high res settings - as long as I am in a system alone and not near anything with texture of any sort
There is not ready and then there is designers clearly never stepping into WH space or south of jita and still not listning to scanners when we, the people who use the locations window the most, tell them the design is terrible
There has been feedback, CCP just chose to ignore it and force the players to get used to it, but when fundamental aspects of the game are broken or a mess you are just going to driver players away. The look of the UI was the ONE thing that stood the test of time for 20 years, this is that thing where apple tried to make the apps look like they were made of wood for no sane reason.
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Mike, I respect you deeply. The point some of us have been making is that it is one thing to update the code, another to degrade the appearance, functionality and efficiency of the UI in the process. It would have been perfectly possible for CCP to have written new, unified code that still generated pretty much the same windows as we had before, with the same information density, the same efficient use of space, the same fonts, the same buttons, etc, etc.
No one is against Photon as a concept. Photon as implemented, howeverā¦
It simply was not ready at 1100 this morning, but they pressed ahead anyway.
Anyway, trust you are well and I am reminded that I really need to find you a Bus contribution in the near future.
I would have given you a like but I have run out of hearts for today. Which is ironic given what today isā¦
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Thanks for confirming you use multiple monitors.
And itās still wasting my goddamned screen space
I know it doesnāt look like much, but the gap between āuseful dataā and the slider bar is large enough for at least another 2 characters. On each line. And thatās the compact member list. We lose space in the main window, too. And in every other window.
Please, for the love of god, CCP, stop wasting my real estate. Doing anything significant in this game already takes up way too much space, I donāt need every little UI window taking up even more of it.
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that was smug and beneath you
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Dude, I use multiple monitors, and I still donāt have close to enough screen space for EVE, even if I stretch it across them all. I really cannot stress enough how much all of the wasted space makes me want to stab people, especially since itās only gotten worse as Photonās developed.
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Not smug at all. Iāve been told I am wrong when I made the statement that most EVE players use multiple monitors, so I like to highlight every time somebody says they use more than one. Given what I do for a living, Iām the last person to look down their nose at working people.
Youāre using compact mode, right? Because I canāt tell the difference.
Yes, I am. And in a bunch of places, Iāve noticed ācompactā mode takes more space to deliver less information.
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Okay, Iāll take your word for it. This hasnāt been my experience.
I have also found that I have to keep Inventory non-compacted. The annoying thing is that even with it locked, the damn thing keeps resizing slightly, so am constantly having to adjust it so that it shows five items across, not just four. We are talking a tiny number of pixels. Heaven knows what genius coding causes thatā¦
Every time Iāve seen them over the months, Iāve taken screenshots, Iāve submitted tickets, hell, youāve seen the threads Iāve posted. I swear, man, there are times I am fairly sure the UI guys are specifically trolling me with this stuff. 
Like, straight up a line in the UI code with
if(
Ā Ā Ā match(
Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā user_acct, āArrendisā
Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā )
Ā Ā Ā distortui(),
Ā Ā );
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give me the option to OPT OUT of Photon UI, you guys have a impressive track record of messing with things that really donāt need to be touched, there is plenty of other things that NEED to be sorted but hey, we are here.
Again option to OPT OUT of Photon UI Permanently
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Yes, just extend the option to opt out just a tiny bit longer, like one of two infinity.
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At least you admit this was a dumb answer to give and deserves to be turned into a memeā¦ but still, this was a dumb answer to give and you deserved to be turned into a meme about how stupid it was to say that.
Also this:
Becauseā¦ well, that^^
Yes, a LOT has been fixed, previously and today. But a LOT - and a lot of REALLY IMPORTANT things - still needs to be fixed before photon is ready to be live without an opt out. Itās nowhere near as awful as it would have been if they pushed it live 2 months ago without an opt out, but that doesnāt mean itās ready. Andā¦
Just because SOME people have multiple monitors, and you happen to be friends with more of those people than other,s doesnāt mean EVERYONE does or that everyone should be EXPECTED to.
Iāve had no issues after setting the size to the appropriate size while having the scrollbar on the side of the window. The bar cuts into the width, so it makes the window act like itās smaller when it isnāt, so you need a bit of extra space on the edge to account for it. If you donāt it seems to resize every time youāre starting to fill up.
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Are you going to pay for every new monitor? If not then maybe keep such suggestions to yourself.
The Photon team is a bunch of blind people who were probably thrown out of google for doing bad UI/X design (and that is some amazing work considering the utter ā ā ā ā UI google produces).
Feedback has been ātoo much wasted spaceā from day one and very little has changed since then. Compact mode is not actually compacted but just removes useful information and I donāt know what hellhole the person who decided to hide most useful functions behind hamburger menus came from but they should go back.
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