I guess I dont understand. Why would you make a statement then say you do not care? That would make it appear that you’re off topic and simply trying to derail the thread.
but players do not need permission from concord to fight a war in null. so are you saying that there should be absolutely no way for players to participate in any form of pvp outside of null?
Dont bother trying to converse with @Uta_Asmai about anything that has anything to do with pvp in this game. He simply wants a space game that has no dangers, no ganking, no pvp integration of any kind. He will argue about it endlessly that its all totally unfair, shouldnt happen, and where he wants to go should be a constant safe haven.
Hes been arguing about it in several threads. Dont waste your time.
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no wardecs in HS, then you or any one else will never be allowed to have an upwell structure or poco ownership in HS ever again.
edit: or a Pos tower
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No one was fighting them. They were 100% the aggressors. If they were indeed trying to prevent a fight, they’re in need of some serious therapy and anti-hallucinogenic drugs because the fight was all in their heads.
Then CCP needs to remove the need for a core. It was added in because no one was attacking upwell structures.
i was responding to the idiot making stupid statements about pvp in HS…
and no Cores were not added because of that…
when teh 2nd WWB occurred, there was a moment when several systems got seeded with 100 astrahus each by panfam…to stop that from happenig again is why CCP added cores…cause you had to get them from NPC’s in HS and transfer to null.
I think the intention was to express the defenders showing up with 150 ships as in my example. A show of force, often times, is enough to deter a fight.
If the attackers are just looking for easy kills and loot, they probably arent wanting to spend more of potential losses than what they would gain from the kill of the structure.
I could be wrong, thats just what I’m taking from the post.
You missed the original post. They showed up the first time and were fought off. Yhey brought more ships and a second alliance after that. 150 ships was not the first attack. It was what they brought after losing ships on the first attack.
You can’t defend athanors against that because they will spend any amount and keep coming just to blow up structures. Black Flag and Absolute Order together.
Moon mining is not impossible. Plenty of people still do it, both small and large. You throwing in the towel does not mean it’s suddenly impossible. Sounds like either someone hired to blow your stuff up, either for the moon or because they have a grudge. But hey, if you don’t want to risk having war, you can just not have a structure…what about this did you want changed?
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I don’t know how to explain the profits behind owning an Athanor. Not above what I’ve already written. I hate repeating myself so I won’t do it.
As for what I’d change, I would remove cores from structures. Most cops only attack them because of the core price.
As for Black Flag, they were destroying everyone’s refineries. We were not the only corp to have any in that system. It wasn’t personal.
And AO is well known for attacking tjem in High Sec and destroying high sec corps. It’s one of the reasons they’re so hated. I’m surprised you hadn’t heard of them. You must be pretty isolated.
War deccing does need to change. Bring back wardeccing corps without structures. Right now what happens is corps will just make a “holding corp” to own the structures so that any loss is minimised. It became pretty much exclusively a method to remove refineries.
Bringing it back to every corp would allow disgruntled highsec corps to go after Absolute Order and bash some fash. It would allow miners to wardec Safety or other ganking groups and form defensive fleets (I’ll leave unsaid how well that would work for them, but the option should still exist). If you think I’m talking smack on the forums, you should be able to wardec my one-man corp and make me eat my words.
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I guess I’m wasting my ‘breath’, but what you fail to understand is that there is no need for wardecs outside of highsec, low and nullsec dwellers just shoot at people, because the space is lawless, that is fine.
So, war decs are a highsec mechanic which have little to no effect in any other security space, and thus what you are arguing for is no war decs. This is in complete opposition to the OP who wants more war decs.
I’d be fine with removing all structures and citadels from high sec. Forever. And then increasing the value of high sec mining to compensate for the loss of profitable moon mining. It’s billions of ISK in one weekly field. And if you have two refineries, that’s double.
People who aren’t miners don’t seem to understand that. It’s why we buy Athanors in High Sec. It’s worth a lot more than Veldspar.
In addition, I’d love to see war decs go away as well. “Oh but then we couldn’t attack High Sec miners!” Yes you could. Aiko does it all the time. She doesn’t do War Decs.
I’d like to see High Sec mining restored to what it used to be 15 years ago.
That’s what I would change. Too many people are afraid to lose ships to Concord.
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I think you probably have some pretty rose-tinted misrememberings of highsec miner income ca 2011.
Highsec mining has always been dogwater income.
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Sure.
Hell no. Highsec is the tutorial area, it should not be viable to just stay there forever. Taxes should be high enough to push traders out, and missions should be limited to level 3 at highest. Data/relic sites should have half the payout they currently do. Only T0 filaments should be allowed.
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Ships were about 1/4th the cost back then and ice could be mined 24/7 as ice fields didn’t despawn. Ice rocks were essentially permanent. So with unending ice and way cheaper ships, that’s better income.
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no, you do not get anything to compensate for lack of owning structures…
we are just returning to 2013 and prior years minus the pos towers…
It’s not a tutorial area. It’s a different area. And most starting corps don’t last in Null Sec. If you really want to show us how bad and bold and awesome Null Sec is, why isn’t anyone going after the monster alliances? Goon went after PH and destroyed them, but that’s a really rare event by all accounts.
But hey, I get it. Null Sec has stagnated and you all want new corps to come to Null and provide you all with targets. It’s a short lived fun activity and you laugh and they quit and you complain about people living in High Sec instead of heading to Null. Like I said- I get it.
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what are you smoking??? T3C’s cost up to 1 billion for a ship hull…
T1 battleships averaged 300 to 500 million isk…
perma ice fields were killed off in favor of 4 hr anoms early 2013
you are kinda of dumb and lacking some memory cells there