Weird Corp Standing

[Jun_Rikson]

I don’t know what happens here, so my standing increased not as expected. Everytime I got corp standing, my standing increase about 10% from actual standing. but if I failed one mission, the standing decreased 100% actual standing.

innitial standing : 9.6
failed 1 mission (-0.325) = 9.27
success 1 mission (+0.111) = 9.28
success 1 mission (+0.233) = 9.3
success 1 mission (+0.264) = 9.32
success 1 mission (+0.182) = 9.33

What happened here?

[Xeux]

That is how it works. As you get close to 10.0 standing, it becomes very easy to fall from grace.
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_standings

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

Per an earlier post on the same “numbers aren’t adding up” issue:

@Archer_en_Tilavine

Co-Head of the United Standings Improvement Agency [USIA] here. The standings log has been bugged beyond belief since the dawn of time. Fellow USIA Co-Head @Imiarr_Timshae, who operated The Standings Corrections Agency [TSCA] for over 10 years before forming USIA via merger with me is all too familiar with this catastrophe as well and can also attest to this. We here at USIA previously studied the standings log to figure out what is and is not consistent and have concluded:

• if I remember correctly, the current standing is always correct
• when your standings change, all previous standings in the graph are retroactively changed (always lowered from our observations) - this is incorrect, so as a result all previous standings in the graph are incorrect.
• The changes in standing between any two points (the “deltas”) remain consistent even though the actual values are incorrect and are retroactively changed
• the standing values in the log remain consistent and unchanged, however… some are actual values and some are percentages, so there is a mismatch here.

It’s basically completely unreliable for use and CCP needs to fix this. I recommend never using this at all whatsoever except for observing if a particular action gives you a “really big” gain or loss - such as a completing a specific storyline or killing a particular entity, but that exception aside you’re better off observing your current standing from the info window of the corp/agent, which is always accurate (though you need to close/reopen it whenever your standings change such as when you complete or fail a mission or take the 4-hour decline penalty)

@Imiarr_Timshae

Yeah, as Archer says, it’s a godforsaken mess.

CCP replaced what was a functional standing transaction log with this mess a few years ago and it’s completely unusable is many cases, or it just lies to you.

The formulae that CCP gives us for standing from their support page (https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203217152-Standings ) is now also totally useless to us because the value “i” used to be displayed by the standing transaction log, and now it is obfsucated from the player.

Sorry to say that you basically can’t trust the standings window at al

[Jun_Rikson]

I see. Thank you for the link

[Jun_Rikson]

so basically, it is long time bug that never fixed?

[Mkikaden_Tiragen]

You might also benefit from using EVE Skill Board to monitor your base standings via ESI (especially for broker fee purposes, since base standings are used in that calculation). you can refresh hourly (delay about 20 minutes after final mission turn in to see all recent turn ins on the refresh), and can password protect your board so nobody else sees it.

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

Correct. It has been this way for MANY years… I believe CCP has acknowledged it more than once but never bothered to fix it.

There are numerous intricacies regarding standing mechanics… if you have any questions about how standings work, want tips on how to raise them, or would like someone to raise them for you, feel free to jump on the USIA Discord server and I or fellow USIA Co-Head Imiarr Timshae can answer your questions and discuss your needs .

[Ja_Kar_Breau]

All of this is correct. but I think I can explain why the graph changes making your gains look smaller

Effective Standings = NPC Standing + Connections Skill

You can see this detail split if you hover the mouse over the NPC’s name in the list

NPC Standing is calculated as per the Eve University link for both gains and losses.

The tool tip for connections says you get a 4% bonus to standings, however this is not totally correct The bonus you get from your skill gets smaller the closer you get to 10 with that NPC (I guess the argument is your actions are now speaking for themselves rather than who you know). I couldn’t find a formula for this on the internet, but worked it out to;

Connections Benefit = (10 - standing) * (Connections Skill * 4%)

The bug is that the graph only calculates this figure once rather than for every point on the graph. This means as you complete more missions- the graph is applying a lower connections benefit to each of the data points, than you actually had at the time

[Erebus_TheChin_Sundance]

Hi o7

Just stumbled on this while looking for any known issues with recent patches.

In the last 2 weeks (ish) in CAS I have noticed several standing related questions reguarding lvl 1 missions from brand new players doing their first missions, not the usual questions we have seen over the years, no, there seems to be somethig extra wierd going on and they are unable, despite having connections at 3 or above as well as social at 3 or above, to unlock lvl 2 agents.

One lad has done so many lvl 1’s he is at 6.02 with the agent and has 9k+ LP yet he still cant access 2’s for that corp.

Anyone else hearing this or have any ideas?

cheers

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

If your effective standing with the faction is below -2 (what we here at USIA call The Deathline™), you are restricted to L1 missions for all corps within that faction even if your corp/agent standing would normally be high enough to run higher level missions.