So, from lack of arguments you are starting to jump on me?
Anyway, ISD reacted and I’m satisfied.
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Lack of argument?
Yeah, instead of having a civil discussion about the thread topic, you just immediately jumped in looking to start one…
Good, there wasn’t any reason for you to post in this thread to begin with.
For real though, please follow the advice of health care professionals. Social distance, cover your cough and sneezes, thoroughly wash hands, and do anything else they tell you to do (such as wear non-surgical face masks). Even if you are young and healthy, you can help prevent the spread to those who might not survive an infection.
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That is getting into political territory. Also, that’s a false dilemma argumentative fallacy.
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Assuming they found a working vaccine today, it would take them 6 months to spool up production enough to handle the number of doses needed. It doesn’t help that much of that production typically happens in china. Odds are more in favor that we’re going to have to reach herd immunity the hard way. Not saying I like it or want that, but thems the facts on the ground.
2020:
If you think 2020 is bad, wait until 2021 when there are 7 strains of this thing out there.
It just looks bad from my perspective.
The COVID-19 virus was subsequently detected
and isolated in the lung and intestinal tissues of the challenged animals.
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Whole genome sequencing analysis of 104 strains of the COVID-19 virus isolated from
patients in different localities with symptom onset between the end of December 2019 and
mid-February 2020 showed 99.9% homology, without significant mutation (Figure 1).
104 - 7 = 97.
They would have to get rid of 97 strains in existence, to get down to the 7 , by then, or whenever.
Don’t infect anyone, and don’t get infected, because, that it is how it spreads.
Whether people die from it or not doesn’t change the spread.
People who die don’t spread it, it’s those whose immunity is good enough to survive it who spread it the most, and who will spread it the most.
Hazardous Material bio-hazard is what is is.
So, it requires the prevention against it to stop it.
There will be other ways, that’s all we have for now until then.
I do have an N95 mask, and there are different models of those, but those are the minimum recommended tool to prevent both infection and infecting others, as prevention, and mean of prevention, and method of prevention.
I also have an air filter mask which accept cartridges, and a few more N95 masks models, and probably can get more.
They are more sturdy, make more fog, and , can handle more dust, than, surgical masks.
Surgical masks serve surgical purpose.
Different surgeries and surgical conditions require different equipment, prevention, and masks.
I also use a $15 box of 100 large vinyl gloves, and no shoes feet protection, as , touching things without gloves is going to get more risky, unless disinfected.
I also have to be careful where I use those gloves, or, have to change them before, once they get infected, so, I would need to carry multiples pairs.
I also have side shields to put on my glasses until I get goggles to put over them, to cover dust from entry into the eyes.
The side shields are a good protection against dust from entering, however, not good enough in this case.
It will be better than nothing.
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Yeah, that message was from CCP Hellmar but I definitely agree with you.
I’m a Union Pipefitter and most of my work is in the Petro-Chemical Industry. I’ve been fit tested and trained in the use of PPE and currently have a couple of 3m Half Masks equipped with P100 Filter Pads.
According to this test of N95 and P100 Filters:
In this study, N95 and P100 FFRs and cartridges were challenged with a bioaerosol consisting of agglomerates of viable MS2 and salts/debris in the suspension that was larger than the MPPS for these types of filters. The risk of occupational exposure to monodisperse bioaerosols within the MPPS, however, is expected to be low since the vast majority (>95 percent) of infectious virus-laden airborne particles are likely to be greater than 100 nm, based on measurements taken in a hospital setting.( 6 ) Eninger et al.( 31 ) tested the performance of N99 and N95 FFRs against an inert salt aerosol (NaCl) and three virus aerosols (MS2, T4, and Bacillus subtilis phage). All the aerosols had a large fraction of particles in the ultrafine range (∼20 to 500 nm). The filter penetration of the bioaerosols did not exceed that of inert NaCl aerosol, suggesting that inert test aerosols are suitable for predicting filter penetration of similarly sized viruses.
CONCLUSION
The filtration efficiency of selected NIOSH-approved N95 and P100 FFRs and cartridges was assessed against a MS2 viable viral aerosol challenge under high volumetric flow conditions, representative of very high work rates. The N95 and P100 viable mean penetrations were typically less than 2 and 0.03%, respectively, under all flow conditions. Viral aerosols typically do not exist as single airborne viruses, instead they form agglomerates that typically are larger than the MPPS of the filter.( 3 , 4 , 6 ) In the controlled laboratory conditions of this study, the resulting MS2 virus MMAD was approximately 500 nm. As a result, the viruses did not penetrate the filters to the extent of aerosols in the MPPS range (typically 40 to 50 nm for N95 filters). Thus, the N95 and P100 FFRs/cartridges tested in this study met or exceeded their efficiency criteria (95 and 99.97%, respectively) against the viable MS2 aerosol challenge even under very high flow breathing conditions.
I also have all kinds of Safety Glasses and Goggles too so protecting my eyes is no problem. I only have a small quantity of vinyl gloves available because most of my work involves the use of Impact and Cut Resistant Leather Gloves.
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I think those are the ones I have.
However, to prevent COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2, there are other cartridges.
Also, going out and work are not the same conditions.
Most work place have preventive measures due to COVID.
That may change the use of gloves, and , disposal, to bio-hazard type receptacle instead of garbage bin.
I don’t have goggles but found some online.
I bought my side shields online.
I am not so sure about my current mailing address though.
I will call them tomorrow to verify, but I don’t think they are that good for now.
I could of course buy some from a hardware store, or, get a new postal address, however, that address would not be as free as the one I used for the last 25 years.
The safety glasses are less protection than the side shield due to that they are more distant from the eyes, although they cover the glasses inside.
They are meant to be shock preventive.
I have more than 10 to 20 types of gloves, including welding gloves, due to working at more than 50 different jobs and companies, if not 100.
Those air filters are best against organic germs such as , from recycled materials which may be exposed to germs for months or years, which, without, stink so bad as to cause nausea or , lungs bacterial infection, and , headache, and, cause tiredness.
It also filters air borne dust particles from smelted aluminum , amongst other dust.
By the way, it was not where I got my lungs infection from.
It was another company, some 4 to 6 months later, for other reasons.
And, I did have an N95 masks, the one I have left, likely from there.
The reason I got problems was because I touched the inside of the mask with dirty cotton gloves stuck with dust, with bacteria, due to moving stored documents on shelves for over 6 years.
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Most companies, especially in the Construction Industry, usually opt for the higher protection just to make sure they’re covered and don’t have to stop work due to waiting on replacing the PPE. That’s why I have P100 Filter Pads on my Respirators.
And yes there are other Filter Pads available but the P100 have a higher filtration percentage compared to most, and they’re also Oil Proof.
Course Goggles are better but if you maintain Social Distancing, then Safety Glasses with side shields should be good to protect the eyes from getting the virus if nearby people are coughing and or sneezing.
It’s a shame the world has come to this. Main thing is to stay safe and healthy.
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Yes, they are good, but there are some against COVID-19, of course, if those don’t protect against SARS-CoV-2, at that point, that is pretty much defeating the purpose.
On the other hands, those 3M cartridges were sold out, in higher demands, and in short supply.
The COVID-19 preventive equipment protects against the disease, most likely, from those infected.
Protection against SARS-CoV-2 can potentially protect against the virus itself, before it creates the disease into persons.
I am not sure about this, but I think it may be the case, until confirmed.
Im not so sure about that.
In fact, I’m sure those precautions are necessary , not because it’s shameful, but , because the virus is a high-risk, and the highest risk.
It’s important to slow the spread, and, as China and South Korea, start to disinfect in the streets, find out how they did it.
Additionally, find out who they got the info from, which I think it was from the WHO.
It seems the solution to solving the problem and to reduce the risk is from there as we go by day to day.
Of course, it is not only there, and , modifications can be implemented to other subsequent places, which will need adaptation, since they are not the first, but also due to their other conditions, to solve this.
Since we know the source of the problem, we know it went there , and that it wasn’t from there originally.
Now, I don’t see why intelligence would justify this.
It was not legal for intelligence there to do that either.
Even though we have 1.2 million cases as of last night, it is very important that it does not get to 500 million, and that the control level increases faster than it spreads.
It would be harder to solve in China with the greater population, and it is not going to be more complicated elsewhere except in more dense population, like, Macau, across Hong Kong, which has the highest population density.
Other factors , coupled with density, directly related, are the genes of people near Mediterranean, like Spanish and Italian.
I’m sure there are other reasons.
Protective equipment also protects the virus to spread to others.
By the way, I might have the cartridge type and number somewhere in my notes, however , I didn’t verify at this time.
I know they were in short supply, and know why.
My laptop also needs a backup, which backup I already on the Seagate backup external device of 2 TB, however, that is only a data backup, and not the most efficient and complete form and type of backup possible that I can make.
It does work for now, and I didn’t need to use it yet, to prevent fatal damage to my data, but the last updates are not on that backup.
I do have a second such device, which I can create, but I may use it to make a Windows 10 bootable disk instead.
In other words, I will have to install the Windows 10 OS on that 2nd backup device due to attacks.
I will bring my 3M mask and cartridges from storage tonight .
1920 global population was 1,811,012,000, at 1.8 billion.
500 million was 25% or close to it.
25% of 7.7 billion, which is 4.27 times more people than in 1920, is 1.925 billion people.
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I have to agree with many here that posting mortality figures without any context related to the current pandemic is not very responsible.
I blame the phenomenon on the lapse of trust in math and science in the last many years. We have had the data for at least a month or more, and although the virus hits the older population the hardest, the mortality rate is at least 1% in general. But to be clear, not 1% of the immune compromised or the elderly, but 1% of the populace on average. Not to downplay the tragedies of families already affected, but the projection for the rest of society becomes a simple math problem.
It is projected that without any interventions or lockdowns by governments or the populace, the virus would infect half the world’s population of about 7 billion people which would be 3.5 billion. The Covid virus mortality rate of at least 1% would then translate into 35 million deaths. That’s the problem with people and math these days, to them 1% doesn’t sound significant, but it becomes a very large number when you talk about populations of entire countries.
Sadly very few people listened to the lessons learned from the Spanish Flu in the early 1900’s, that social distancing works and masks work. Dumb humans have to keep re-learning lessons over and over at great cost unnecessarily.
Fortunately there was at least one country that seemed to have listened. South Korea number of infections has already peaked with minimal damage, about 10,000 infected and less than 200 deaths so far, and infection rate has stabilized. South Koreans look like a pristine people now compared to much of the other dirty filthy barbarian countries.
It’s probably too late for many countries to follow their example, but there is hope if more people see that the preventions do work. South Korea is now in the economic recovery phase already, and just waiting for a hopeful vaccine.
OP, you should do the right thing and do some research and edit your first post to include the projected figures for the current pandemic.
But 20% of death compared to 80% recovered cases is not 1% of the population in average, because, those are ratios at the start of the contagion.
It may be 1% of the population, or, less, since less than 1% get the problem.
1.2 million out of 7.7 billion globally is more than 10 times less 1%, and, well, those people that don’t have it haven’t died of it , yet.
It’s 0.155,844,155,844,155,8 %.
Just because I use a computer to count doesn’t mean that my accuracy has anything to do with emotion, and, it may even make me feel bad, insomniac, and all kind of other losses calculated, which other trillions going around couldn’t careless for over 25 years of my work and so on.
It also doesn’t mean that I don’t verify my numbers, after verifying them by hand, and mentally, and that I don’t use computers to verify the other computers, and that I don’t use computers to make programs to verify them.
It also doesn’t mean that I don’t use computers to design computers to do so.
Just so you guys can pay me enough, so I can have a family, who, like you, have a chance to die.
If 17 million people died of the flu in 1920 out of 500 million infected ,
that is 3.4 %, or, 3.4 time more than 1%.
17 million out of 1.8 billion global population is 0.94%, or, 0.06% less than 1%.
If 50 million people died out that 500 million, that is 10%.
50 million out of 1.8 billion global population is 2.78%.
The normal death rate is 0.77%.
In the US, it’s 0.86%.
Those rate are persons per year, per 1,000 persons, in percentage.
That is equal to 7.7 person per years.
Of course, there is no 0.7 person per thousand.
They wouldn’t live one year.
US population is 327.2 million (2018).
1% = 3.272 million.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?#countries
Coronavirus Cases:
1,347,235
view by country
Deaths:
74,767
Recovered:
286,234
ACTIVE CASES
986,234
Currently Infected Patients
= 1.280823376623377e-4% of global 7.7 billion people.
Those numbers do not compared with tested cases, compared to non-tested people, people who test negative, as not having it , and so on.
1.280823376623377e-4 = 1.28e-4
1.28 x 10-4
(Scientific Notation)
0.000128
(Real Number)
0.000,128 equal 0.012,8% of the population, or, 0.01%, ten times less than 1%.
That same 1% of the 1% I mentioned below.
7.7 billion times 1% = 77 million. 7.7 million is 0.1%.
770,000, or, 770 thousands is 0.01%.
1.4 million is 0.02%.
938,881 (95%)
in Mild Condition
47,353 (5%)
Serious or Critical
CLOSED CASES
361,001
Cases which had an outcome:
286,234 (79%)
Recovered / Discharged
74,767 (21%)
Deaths
1% of an inaccurate number, or , quantity, as in, something not specifically described , scientifically, is about as accurate a ratio, as the reference of the ratio you refer to.
It could be 1% of the population one day, 1% of the infected people another, 1% of the population of infected people from the 1% of the 1% which was not clear, heck , they may even have 1% of the money, or the other way around.
That is false .
Dumb humans may not deserve to have access to higher education, after their elementary education was given to them, as part of international rights.
They have to earn it and it is based on merit.
It doesn’t mean that they have to pay for it financially, as some who merit it, don’t have money.
It means they have to merit it to earn the right to get the higher education.
Sure, with some exceptions. There are situations when health care professionals don’t have a solution or the knowledge is shadowed form them. Ironically @M_Cincinnatus has a post in this thread. It reminds me another case, as an example. Just check the Robert Billot real case.
Robert Bilott (born August 2, 1965) is an American environmental attorney from Cincinnati, Ohio. Bilott is known for the lawsuits against DuPont on behalf of plaintiffs from West Virginia. Bilott has spent more than twenty years litigating hazardous dumping of the chemicals Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) and Perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS).
BTW PFOA and PFOS are the core materials to manufacture Teflon ((C2F4)n). DuPont’s pollution in Parkersburg caused massive cancer diseases. He had to debate for 20 years with some individuals, which were trained to deny everything and pretend that they understand nothing. Like some guys on our forums, to force a thread to be closed they insulting their ALTs each other.
You can watch a movie also.
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It’s true. And I wouldn’t trust in their vaccina. There is a lot of strange talking in my neighbourhood communities about this thing, that it’s a conspiracy and other ■■■■. Based what is happening around I believe in it more and more day to day.
Spanish Flu occured over two years, if I’m not wrong, and the worst was the second year.
An important moment here is that many people have some kind of immunity to COVID-19 and like 95% among infected can cure themselves without vaccines and drugs. It’s a big difference compared to other virulent and deadly pandemic situations.
From current perspective, this pandemic situation, overall, affects people economically mainly - it puts money from one pockets to another pockets. It makes majority of people even more vulnerably and dependend from social environment. This damages the mid-class of population like it did the financial crysis in 2008, when the mid-class all around the world lost like 50% of their assets. The current situation, in long period, can cause much more damage than virus itself. That’s the issue.
Worst of all this can happen more and more often in the future.
This is what I’m talking about. Too many people choose to believe in conspiracies instead of proven math and science. Do the math for yourself, look how the virus has exploded in places like New York City and Italy in only about two months. And compare to places that practice wearing masks and social distancing like Japan and South Korea that the virus hit even before the others.
South Korea’s data isn’t perfect, but it’s the most complete in the world. They had done 300,000 tests and found only 10,000 infected, a ratio of testing light years ahead of any other country per capita. Their mortality rate tracks at about 1-2% with the raw numbers, so the low end of 1% still likely holds.
In USA, even Trump’s best case scenario is 100,000 to 200,000 deaths, and worst case is 2.2 million deaths if no one does lockdowns. A number staggering enough to cause him to flip from “the virus is nothing to worry about” crowd, to locking down the country for a month…
If we had 100% participation in lockdowns from the start, the virus would have died out in a month, without the need for “herd immunity” or vaccinations. And minimal damage to economy. But because of bad world leaders and conspiracy theorists such as yourself spreading bad information, we will be lucky to have maybe 50% participation. For every hundred people convinced that this is all a hoax, a person may die. And that death will be on your heads. Words can and do kill…
Math and science is the reason we are as advanced as we are today, it’s the reason you and I can even communicate across vast distances. I know trying convince you is probably futile, but this is for the few people that might even peek into this thread. Please trust in math and science. And please listen to your local medical experts, and not to knuckleheads on the internet…
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